I hope you listened to Mrs. Swaggart’s program today. Her son (and a Pastor also) Donnie Swaggart had a beautiful solution for your problem.

If you haven’t listened to it, try downloading it. Today’s date is Jan. 22,2009.

I am praying for you and all other’s seeking for the truth.
Teresa

Thanks,
Tony

Brother, we are all born into iniquity. I do not question when you believe your attrations for the same sex began. I truly don’t believe that’s the point. Everyone born into the flesh desires sin but we as Christians experience a rebirth..

KJV
3Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

Just like a baby, when you are reborn in Christ, you have to be retrained to think and act according to His will. Everything you thought you knew is now gone and you only rely on his teachings and the conviction of the Holy Spirit for your life. It seem that you have decided that, for your sexuality, you will hold on to what your first life has dictated; a life born into iniquity.

The argument I was born this way is irrelevant no matter what the sin is. I believe the minute we decide which of our desires of flesh belongs to our “personhood” we deny our salvation. You’re obviously a very intelligent person; but your intelligence measures nothing against God. It seems that you’ve decided that this part of His law is wrong because of the way you feel. I’m sure you think murder, theft, and lieing are all wrong and those are His laws as well. Picking and choosing seems to imply I know what’s best for me and therefore can determine what I should or shouldn’t be doing. Please don’t let your intelligence and what you think you know get in between your relationship with Christ.

In this world today, it’s very difficult. Temptation is the norm and everyday we hear people telling us to do what we like; do what makes you feel good. It’s hard but it’s a process. You don’t have to abandon who you are. Your sexuality is not who you are. It’s an action that you do.

So start with the fact as you said Jesus is your Lord. Your Lord says that sex is between one man and one woman in marriage. Neither you nor I fit into that scenario, so we shouldn’t be having sex…period. When your flesh desires it, pray and I will be praying for you. It’s an easy step to take. In the meantime, use all of the energy to read and study your Word and pray and see how God starts changing you.

God Bless You

I am very open to truth. I also disagree that stating the truth of my existence doesnt necessarily contradict scripture. I have tried to be straight because agaiin, I am rational and can see my sexuallity to my dismay is seemingly disordered. But that doesn’t take away from the reality that I exist. I am not trying to dellute myself about it, however, I am just endeavoring to understand God’s plan for this in light of my truth. The bible does say all things work together for the good of them who love the Lord. I just wonder how God is going to get glory out of making me gay only that I have to undue it. What is interesting about sexuality is that one need not guess where they are; You know immediately if you are attracted to members of the opposite sex. I am expressedly clear that im gay with zero attraction to women. I grieve in this because I have many sibblings who have wives and kids and I can’t have that because Im not straight. I here straight christians say all day long you an abomination, your repulsive in the sight of God, yet none offer any real solution to the gay debacle. Because they refuse to be open to the fact we were born disordered, they cant legitimately help us. Pastor DL posted something rather remarkable on genetic abnormalities. People are born intersexed, people are born with a predisposition for alchoholism, people are born with all manner of genetic error. People are also born with down syndrome. I dont understand why the church cant see people are born gay. I think this will help the whole issue of how to deal with sexuality. I am very liberal as you no doubt know. However, contrary to many of my liberal GCM theologians, I think gay people are born gay, if you will disordered. I’ve see errant ministries like EXGAY which provide no legitimate exit strategy out of homosexuality because their premise is partially flawed. If homosexuality is to be healed, it must be approached with honesty not the dillusion that gay people are ‘pretending to be gay’ or gay because they decided to be sexually deviant or immoral.

Thanks,
Tony

Thanks for your commnts. However, as a homosexual who believes he was born gay, telling me of the alledged historic roots of homosexuality in pagan idoltry means nothing.

Then why post on this topic? You’ve already decided it means nothing to you. Seems you want to be combative for the sake of being combative.

Tony said:

In all fairness, this alleged history is brand new to me.

Then how can you conclude it’s worthless? Wouldn’t hurt to do a little research to make an informed decision.

Tony said:

This is my issue. Assume, I didn’t choose to be gay and assist me from that perspective.

The assumption you are asking about is in direct contract with scripture. You are right to ask for assistance but you seem to only want it on your terms; assuming you are born gay. Any way you could just open your mind without any preconceived notions? Could you even believe you aren’t born gay?

Thanks for your commnts. However, as a homosexual who believes he was born gay, telling me of the alledged historic roots of homosexuality in pagan idoltry means nothing. I acknowledge Jesus Christ, he is Lord, even if you disagree with me, he died for me too. I find this post to be highly offensive …In a very sneaky backdoor infiltration, Swagart intimates that gays are idoloters or have some thinking based in paganism. In all fairness, this alleged history is brand new to me. Paganism and certainly idolatry are the very last ( and I mean last) things on my mind. I dont know where she was going with this. But her point is moot because the intimation is not only beyond offensive it bares no solitary grain of significance towards the gay debate. Many of us are struggling to be Christian to find our way in God… acknowledging somethings amiss as it relates to sexuality… but simultaneously proclaiming we didn’t chooose it. So ignoring false prophets like the SWAGGARTS and getting to the core…. How could God allow us to be so made … only to damm us. This is my issue. Assume, I didn’t choose to be gay and assist me from that perspective.

Thanks,
Tony