Comments on: Ray Boltz writes predictable new song http://www.gcmwatch.com/1559/ray-boltz-writes-predictable-new-song Wed, 08 Feb 2012 01:09:56 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: Jake http://www.gcmwatch.com/1559/ray-boltz-writes-predictable-new-song/comment-page-1#comment-4865 Jake Tue, 10 Feb 2009 13:05:37 +0000 http://gcmwatch.wordpress.com/?p=1559#comment-4865 RE: Tony, Your strawman arguments are too weak to even address. ALL sexual immorality is SIN. I don’t need to list ALL of them. Put down your homosexual idol from your mantel and cast it down with ALL the other sexual idols. Sin is Sin. Kyle TONY...WHILE I ECHO YOUR INTELLIGENT, THOUGHTFUL, INSIGHTFUL, INCLUSIVE, ELOQUENT AND ARTICULATE PERSPECTIVE AND COMMENTARY...AND AM PRIVILEGED TO KNOW RAY'S STRUGGLE AND HEART...YOU ARE BEATING A DEAD HORSE OR SEA! THESE BIBLE-MEMORIZING PROFESSED CHRISTIANS HAVE BUILT A HEARTLESS INHUMANE JUDGMENTAL IMPERMEABLE WALL--SO TIGHTLY WOVEN AS TO PROTECT THEIR OWN PAIN AND SELF-LOATHING (which they refer constantly to "SIN"). IF THEY'D ONLY GET TO WORK ON THEIR OWN SHORTCOMINGS AND LACK OF SELF-LOVE, PERHAPS THEY'D BEGIN TO SHED THEIR VIRULENT PREJUDICES TO ALLOW PURE GOD-LACED LOVE, ACCEPTANCE AND UNDERSTANDING IN and ALL THOSE VILE CLICHES TO FLOW LIKE THE UNHOLY WATER IT IS! RAY IS ONE OF THE MOST LOVING, CARING, DEEPFEELING AND EXPRESSIVE MEN OF RENEWAL AND FAITH I'VE EVER ENCOUNTERED and to READ THE THOUSANDS OF HATE-FILLED SLANDER ONLY STRENGTHENS MY BELIEF THAT THE "SAINT IS OFTEN THE SINNER!" RE: Tony,
Your strawman arguments are too weak to even address. ALL sexual immorality is SIN. I don’t need to list ALL of them. Put down your homosexual idol from your mantel and cast it down with ALL the other sexual idols. Sin is Sin.
Kyle
TONY…WHILE I ECHO YOUR INTELLIGENT, THOUGHTFUL,
INSIGHTFUL, INCLUSIVE, ELOQUENT AND ARTICULATE PERSPECTIVE AND COMMENTARY…AND AM PRIVILEGED TO KNOW RAY’S STRUGGLE AND HEART…YOU ARE BEATING A DEAD HORSE OR SEA!
THESE BIBLE-MEMORIZING PROFESSED CHRISTIANS HAVE BUILT A HEARTLESS INHUMANE JUDGMENTAL IMPERMEABLE
WALL–SO TIGHTLY WOVEN AS TO PROTECT THEIR OWN
PAIN AND SELF-LOATHING (which they refer constantly to “SIN”).
IF THEY’D ONLY GET TO WORK ON THEIR OWN SHORTCOMINGS AND LACK OF SELF-LOVE, PERHAPS THEY’D BEGIN TO SHED THEIR VIRULENT PREJUDICES TO ALLOW PURE GOD-LACED LOVE, ACCEPTANCE AND UNDERSTANDING IN and ALL THOSE VILE CLICHES TO FLOW LIKE THE UNHOLY WATER IT IS!
RAY IS ONE OF THE MOST LOVING, CARING, DEEPFEELING
AND EXPRESSIVE MEN OF RENEWAL AND FAITH I’VE EVER
ENCOUNTERED and to READ THE THOUSANDS OF HATE-FILLED SLANDER ONLY STRENGTHENS MY BELIEF
THAT THE “SAINT IS OFTEN THE SINNER!”

]]> By: Tony http://www.gcmwatch.com/1559/ray-boltz-writes-predictable-new-song/comment-page-1#comment-4864 Tony Tue, 13 Jan 2009 22:45:58 +0000 http://gcmwatch.wordpress.com/?p=1559#comment-4864 You may perceive my position to groundless but I disagree. Again, most rational people will agree that homosexuality and murder are not the same thing. Period. To suggest otherwise is crazy. You may perceive my position to groundless but I disagree. Again, most rational people will agree that homosexuality and murder are not the same thing. Period. To suggest otherwise is crazy.

]]> By: Neil http://www.gcmwatch.com/1559/ray-boltz-writes-predictable-new-song/comment-page-1#comment-4863 Neil Tue, 13 Jan 2009 21:56:36 +0000 http://gcmwatch.wordpress.com/?p=1559#comment-4863 Good points, pastor. Tony, the notion that we should not speak Biblical truths because someone might misinterpret them is groundless. It isn't as if people leave Focus on the Family "Love Won Out" conferences and then go beat up gays. And as this post demonstrates, there are people claiming to be Christians who are teaching the opposite of what the Bible says, and you expect us to be silent on that? Good points, pastor.

Tony, the notion that we should not speak Biblical truths because someone might misinterpret them is groundless. It isn’t as if people leave Focus on the Family “Love Won Out” conferences and then go beat up gays.

And as this post demonstrates, there are people claiming to be Christians who are teaching the opposite of what the Bible says, and you expect us to be silent on that?

]]> By: Tony http://www.gcmwatch.com/1559/ray-boltz-writes-predictable-new-song/comment-page-1#comment-4862 Tony Tue, 13 Jan 2009 21:31:54 +0000 http://gcmwatch.wordpress.com/?p=1559#comment-4862 I am proccessing your reply Pastor DL. I will respond after I ponder on it. I want to make sure I back my claims up. I should have posted the evidence with the post. I will do that in future post. <strong>GCMW: Tony even though I disagree with you on most issues about ssa, you really touch my heart sometimes. Thats the truth and I appreciate your spirit.</strong> :) I am proccessing your reply Pastor DL. I will respond after I ponder on it. I want to make sure I back my claims up. I should have posted the evidence with the post. I will do that in future post.

GCMW: Tony even though I disagree with you on most issues about ssa, you really touch my heart sometimes. Thats the truth and I appreciate your spirit. :)

]]> By: Elder Jimmy http://www.gcmwatch.com/1559/ray-boltz-writes-predictable-new-song/comment-page-1#comment-4861 Elder Jimmy Tue, 13 Jan 2009 19:59:31 +0000 http://gcmwatch.wordpress.com/?p=1559#comment-4861 OUCH! I think Augustine might need a bandaid. HA! OUCH! I think Augustine might need a bandaid. HA!

]]> By: Tony http://www.gcmwatch.com/1559/ray-boltz-writes-predictable-new-song/comment-page-1#comment-4860 Tony Tue, 13 Jan 2009 19:42:57 +0000 http://gcmwatch.wordpress.com/?p=1559#comment-4860 Pastor DL, I am reasonably certain that you are accurate in suggesting that no one on this blog would murder or even gay bash someone based upon religious beliefs. However, I think you miss my point again. The churches teachings are indoctrinated into the faithful and the faithful go out into the world and have contact with people who may not be as spiritually grounded. <strong>GCMW: This is where your big disconnect occurs. Where is your irrefutable evidence of this claim?</strong> Like it or not, the teachings of the Church reach WAY outside of the church. You may be smart enough to contain your repulsion to homosexuality. There are thoughs in society who would hear your proclamation that gays are just as evil as murderers.... internalize it.... believe it.... begin to identify homosexuals as the lowest of the lowest... and even, be very open to beating up a fag... or worst yet, murdering them.. after all they are the lowest of the low... <strong>GCMW: Without direct evidence, this is only supposition. This same irrresponsible, reactionary claim was made in the Sakia Gunn case by Keith Boykin and in the Matthew Shepard case by gay pac groups. None have produced any evidence to support such claims. If you cry wolf too often people stop believeing your claim is even grounded in reality.</strong> My comment wasn't meant to offend the GCMW bloggers. You aren't necessarily the people I was directing my concern toward. Rather, those who you MAY come in contact with who are NOT grounded in Romans 13:10 and Gods Love Ethic. Gay Bashings and Murder satistics DL are readilly available. <strong>GCMW: All murder is wrong, all violence is wrong. Gays and/or homosexuality is no more special than any other sinful activity. People of all types, colors, ethicities, etc, etc are killed and maimed almost everyday in this country. Are we to believe this is all because THE CHURCH teaches against sin and some loose screw criminal comes hears "sin is wrong, violence is wrong" then goes out and commits the very act the church said is wrong? Tony, your logic is extremely lacking.</strong> Pastor DL,

I am reasonably certain that you are accurate in suggesting that no one on this blog would murder or even gay bash someone based upon religious beliefs. However, I think you miss my point again. The churches teachings are indoctrinated into the faithful and the faithful go out into the world and have contact with people who may not be as spiritually grounded.

GCMW: This is where your big disconnect occurs. Where is your irrefutable evidence of this claim?

Like it or not, the teachings of the Church reach WAY outside of the church. You may be smart enough to contain your repulsion to homosexuality. There are thoughs in society who would hear your proclamation that gays are just as evil as murderers…. internalize it…. believe it…. begin to identify homosexuals as the lowest of the lowest… and even, be very open to beating up a fag… or worst yet, murdering them.. after all they are the lowest of the low…

GCMW: Without direct evidence, this is only supposition. This same irrresponsible, reactionary claim was made in the Sakia Gunn case by Keith Boykin and in the Matthew Shepard case by gay pac groups. None have produced any evidence to support such claims. If you cry wolf too often people stop believeing your claim is even grounded in reality.

My comment wasn’t meant to offend the GCMW bloggers. You aren’t necessarily the people I was directing my concern toward. Rather, those who you MAY come in contact with who are NOT grounded in Romans 13:10 and Gods Love Ethic. Gay Bashings and Murder satistics DL are readilly available.

GCMW: All murder is wrong, all violence is wrong. Gays and/or homosexuality is no more special than any other sinful activity. People of all types, colors, ethicities, etc, etc are killed and maimed almost everyday in this country. Are we to believe this is all because THE CHURCH teaches against sin and some loose screw criminal comes hears “sin is wrong, violence is wrong” then goes out and commits the very act the church said is wrong? Tony, your logic is extremely lacking.

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