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		<title>By: Growing in Grace</title>
		<link>http://www.gcmwatch.com/2069/un-document-advocates-gay-marriage-pedophile-access/comment-page-1#comment-5549</link>
		<dc:creator>Growing in Grace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 17:15:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Once again, God has been faithful to his Word.  We all knew this was coming and an Obama administration is just what was needed to start the efforts in the United States.  I pray that people of God wake up and see what is happening...or at least reread Revelations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once again, God has been faithful to his Word.  We all knew this was coming and an Obama administration is just what was needed to start the efforts in the United States.  I pray that people of God wake up and see what is happening&#8230;or at least reread Revelations.</p>
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		<title>By: Nat G.</title>
		<link>http://www.gcmwatch.com/2069/un-document-advocates-gay-marriage-pedophile-access/comment-page-1#comment-5539</link>
		<dc:creator>Nat G.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 03:32:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That was the one. I&#039;m not going to spend the time to verify every other claim you made -- but with what I corrected, what you quoted was in obvious contrast with what you claimed it meant.

&lt;strong&gt;GCMW: You havent corrected anything, you simply gave your perspective on what was quoted from the document. There is nothing good about lowering the age of consent. Furthermore, there is no organized effort by &quot;heterosexual pedophiles&quot; to lower the age of consent. In contrast, homosexual pedophile group NAMBLA has worked openly to demolish all age of consent laws. That was cited, but you ignored it and instead raised a strawman.&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was the one. I&#8217;m not going to spend the time to verify every other claim you made &#8212; but with what I corrected, what you quoted was in obvious contrast with what you claimed it meant.</p>
<p><strong>GCMW: You havent corrected anything, you simply gave your perspective on what was quoted from the document. There is nothing good about lowering the age of consent. Furthermore, there is no organized effort by &#8220;heterosexual pedophiles&#8221; to lower the age of consent. In contrast, homosexual pedophile group NAMBLA has worked openly to demolish all age of consent laws. That was cited, but you ignored it and instead raised a strawman.</strong></p>
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		<title>By: gcmwatch</title>
		<link>http://www.gcmwatch.com/2069/un-document-advocates-gay-marriage-pedophile-access/comment-page-1#comment-5548</link>
		<dc:creator>gcmwatch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 02:18:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, just for the sake of context, is that the only error you saw and wanted to point out?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, just for the sake of context, is that the only error you saw and wanted to point out?</p>
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		<title>By: Nat G.</title>
		<link>http://www.gcmwatch.com/2069/un-document-advocates-gay-marriage-pedophile-access/comment-page-1#comment-5547</link>
		<dc:creator>Nat G.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 01:40:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kyle: I had not seen your earlier message when my message was composed (and just got to see the latest go-round from you and from gcmwatch after posting my reply.)

Your repeated statements regarding the lowering of the age of consent leaves me still asking &quot;what lowering of the age of consent?&quot; Please give me a page and line citation of where the UN document asks for the lowering of the age of consent, because I&#039;ve read the relevant portions and it&#039;s not in there.

&quot;That being said what do YOU think about lowering the age of consent?&quot;

WHICH age of consent? In Tunisia, the age of consent for heterosexual contact is 20. If that&#039;s the one you&#039;re asking about, then yes, I think it should be lowered. I think that people are ready to make decisions for themselves -- even if they turn out to be the wrong decisions -- before they are 20. But in the parts of Mexico where the age of consent is 12, I would certainly be against lowering them.

gcmwatch: I addressed the claim which I did because I saw it, it looked unlikely to be true, and investigating it I found it to be false. Are your errors or falsehoods not to be addressed? Is offering up correct information automatically suspicious?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kyle: I had not seen your earlier message when my message was composed (and just got to see the latest go-round from you and from gcmwatch after posting my reply.)</p>
<p>Your repeated statements regarding the lowering of the age of consent leaves me still asking &#8220;what lowering of the age of consent?&#8221; Please give me a page and line citation of where the UN document asks for the lowering of the age of consent, because I&#8217;ve read the relevant portions and it&#8217;s not in there.</p>
<p>&#8220;That being said what do YOU think about lowering the age of consent?&#8221;</p>
<p>WHICH age of consent? In Tunisia, the age of consent for heterosexual contact is 20. If that&#8217;s the one you&#8217;re asking about, then yes, I think it should be lowered. I think that people are ready to make decisions for themselves &#8212; even if they turn out to be the wrong decisions &#8212; before they are 20. But in the parts of Mexico where the age of consent is 12, I would certainly be against lowering them.</p>
<p>gcmwatch: I addressed the claim which I did because I saw it, it looked unlikely to be true, and investigating it I found it to be false. Are your errors or falsehoods not to be addressed? Is offering up correct information automatically suspicious?</p>
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		<title>By: Nat G.</title>
		<link>http://www.gcmwatch.com/2069/un-document-advocates-gay-marriage-pedophile-access/comment-page-1#comment-5537</link>
		<dc:creator>Nat G.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 01:24:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If the UN has it’s way the individual countries will be allowed to extend their current legal definition of legal consent to all including same-sex.&quot;

Countries are already allowed to do so.

&quot;We are descending in our morality and bringing back pedophilia.&quot;

Pedophilia never went away. Most of it has been perpetrated quite heterosexually.

Nothing in this over-a-decade-old UN document calls for a decrease in the age of consent, merely for parity; in cases where non-parity exist, that can also be achieved by -raising- the lower figure.

&lt;strong&gt;GCMW: Age of consent parity for homosexuals is a good thing to you?&lt;/strong&gt;

 (&quot;Pedophilia&quot; also generally refers to sexual interest in pre-pubescent, and the age of consent in all countries with age-based consent laws for non-marital sex is above the typical age of the modern onset of puberty. That isn&#039;t to say that someone beyond that age is therefor equipped to consent meaningfully, mind you, but that&#039;s the decision lawmakers face when considering an age of consent law.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If the UN has it’s way the individual countries will be allowed to extend their current legal definition of legal consent to all including same-sex.&#8221;</p>
<p>Countries are already allowed to do so.</p>
<p>&#8220;We are descending in our morality and bringing back pedophilia.&#8221;</p>
<p>Pedophilia never went away. Most of it has been perpetrated quite heterosexually.</p>
<p>Nothing in this over-a-decade-old UN document calls for a decrease in the age of consent, merely for parity; in cases where non-parity exist, that can also be achieved by -raising- the lower figure.</p>
<p><strong>GCMW: Age of consent parity for homosexuals is a good thing to you?</strong></p>
<p> (&#8221;Pedophilia&#8221; also generally refers to sexual interest in pre-pubescent, and the age of consent in all countries with age-based consent laws for non-marital sex is above the typical age of the modern onset of puberty. That isn&#8217;t to say that someone beyond that age is therefor equipped to consent meaningfully, mind you, but that&#8217;s the decision lawmakers face when considering an age of consent law.)</p>
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		<title>By: gcmwatch</title>
		<link>http://www.gcmwatch.com/2069/un-document-advocates-gay-marriage-pedophile-access/comment-page-1#comment-5538</link>
		<dc:creator>gcmwatch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 00:21:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kyle, people like Nat are narrow minded when it comes to these matters. I wish he would have really said why he picked up on that (out of all the other points mentioned). Motive helps us to clarify why a person argues for or against something. Maybe he will say so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kyle, people like Nat are narrow minded when it comes to these matters. I wish he would have really said why he picked up on that (out of all the other points mentioned). Motive helps us to clarify why a person argues for or against something. Maybe he will say so.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle</title>
		<link>http://www.gcmwatch.com/2069/un-document-advocates-gay-marriage-pedophile-access/comment-page-1#comment-5546</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 23:02:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nat G,

Did you purposely ignore my response regarding the ever lowering age of consent?  Well, it&#039;s common sense that once the age of consent drops it drops for EVERYONE.

By proxy then pedophilia is being re-established.

That being said what do YOU think about lowering the age of consent?

Kyle</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nat G,</p>
<p>Did you purposely ignore my response regarding the ever lowering age of consent?  Well, it&#8217;s common sense that once the age of consent drops it drops for EVERYONE.</p>
<p>By proxy then pedophilia is being re-established.</p>
<p>That being said what do YOU think about lowering the age of consent?</p>
<p>Kyle</p>
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		<title>By: Nat G.</title>
		<link>http://www.gcmwatch.com/2069/un-document-advocates-gay-marriage-pedophile-access/comment-page-1#comment-5545</link>
		<dc:creator>Nat G.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 02:00:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, yes, I saw your claim. I don&#039;t see any evidence that the UN document actually said anything of the kind, neither in citations in this post nor in the UN document itself. So it seems you&#039;re engaging in bearing false witness there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, yes, I saw your claim. I don&#8217;t see any evidence that the UN document actually said anything of the kind, neither in citations in this post nor in the UN document itself. So it seems you&#8217;re engaging in bearing false witness there.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle</title>
		<link>http://www.gcmwatch.com/2069/un-document-advocates-gay-marriage-pedophile-access/comment-page-1#comment-5543</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 01:43:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pastor Foster,

As a side note we should remember that Joycelyn Elders under the Clinton Administration clearly endorsed a whole host of sexual deviancies.  Later she even wrote the foreword to a book defending the very act of pedophilia.  Of course that was 1993-94 and she was quickly given the boot from her position.

Trust me when I say that was done out of political expediency rather than personal conviction by Clinton.

Kyle</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pastor Foster,</p>
<p>As a side note we should remember that Joycelyn Elders under the Clinton Administration clearly endorsed a whole host of sexual deviancies.  Later she even wrote the foreword to a book defending the very act of pedophilia.  Of course that was 1993-94 and she was quickly given the boot from her position.</p>
<p>Trust me when I say that was done out of political expediency rather than personal conviction by Clinton.</p>
<p>Kyle</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle</title>
		<link>http://www.gcmwatch.com/2069/un-document-advocates-gay-marriage-pedophile-access/comment-page-1#comment-5544</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 01:36:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nat G.,

If the UN has it&#039;s way the individual countries will be allowed to extend their current legal definition of legal consent to all including same-sex.

For example in England the age of consent was lowered to 16.  Presently their are calls to lower it further to 14.

If the definition set forth by the UN is established then each respective country would allow any sexual relationship same or opposite to be equal and valid as long as it was within their age of consent.

We are descending in our morality and bringing back pedophilia.



Kyle</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nat G.,</p>
<p>If the UN has it&#8217;s way the individual countries will be allowed to extend their current legal definition of legal consent to all including same-sex.</p>
<p>For example in England the age of consent was lowered to 16.  Presently their are calls to lower it further to 14.</p>
<p>If the definition set forth by the UN is established then each respective country would allow any sexual relationship same or opposite to be equal and valid as long as it was within their age of consent.</p>
<p>We are descending in our morality and bringing back pedophilia.</p>
<p>Kyle</p>
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