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		<title>By: Paul N</title>
		<link>http://www.gcmwatch.com/2510/bible-abuse-alert-umc-pastor-calls-homosexuality-clean/comment-page-#comment-6811</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul N</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 16:46:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Childish is the word Pastor Foster,

Doesnt the bible encourage to mature into the unity of the faith? In the Last days people will become lovers of themselves more than lovers of God.

Ephesians 4
13Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

 14That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

Help us to stand LORD!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Childish is the word Pastor Foster,</p>
<p>Doesnt the bible encourage to mature into the unity of the faith? In the Last days people will become lovers of themselves more than lovers of God.</p>
<p>Ephesians 4<br />
13Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:</p>
<p> 14That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;</p>
<p>Help us to stand LORD!</p>
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		<title>By: gcmwatch</title>
		<link>http://www.gcmwatch.com/2510/bible-abuse-alert-umc-pastor-calls-homosexuality-clean/comment-page-#comment-6810</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 14:46:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Youre absolutely right Paul its a silly, childish statement she made. Like I said she had the nerve to call the other Pastor &quot;anti=intellectual&quot; and yet her entire thesis flies in the face of common sense not to meant intellectual discovery. Although she should know intellectualism alone is not the way to rightly divide the Word.

If people really looked at this foolishness, they would laugh at how ridiculous it is. But what does that say about the fact that many denominations are accepting this false teaching as credible? Strong delusion?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Youre absolutely right Paul its a silly, childish statement she made. Like I said she had the nerve to call the other Pastor &#8220;anti=intellectual&#8221; and yet her entire thesis flies in the face of common sense not to meant intellectual discovery. Although she should know intellectualism alone is not the way to rightly divide the Word.</p>
<p>If people really looked at this foolishness, they would laugh at how ridiculous it is. But what does that say about the fact that many denominations are accepting this false teaching as credible? Strong delusion?</p>
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		<title>By: Paul N</title>
		<link>http://www.gcmwatch.com/2510/bible-abuse-alert-umc-pastor-calls-homosexuality-clean/comment-page-1#comment-6809</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul N</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 14:11:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One more thing, what is up with this &quot;the bible doesnt say the word homosexual&quot;? any time someone says that you know they are denying the facts!

If I say there is an Animal that we should stop eating though it is very tasty. This animal has a comb, somethings hanging under its beak called wattles, the male has spurs and crows, this animal also has two wings and two legs. Its tastes very nice when you fry it, bake it, stew it oh and it is sold a lot at popeyes (Cajun style). The females lay eggs that most people enjoy for breakfast or even lunch, fried, boiled, poached or scrambled. wouldnt you know what I was talking about though I didnt use the word CHICKEN!

The word homosexual may not be in the bible but the act of homosexuality is, so if we read Romans 1 where is states people being sexual with those of the same sex there is no doubt that due to the today language and words we use we would say, &quot;oh he is talking about homosexuality&quot;

UNBELIEVABLE!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One more thing, what is up with this &#8220;the bible doesnt say the word homosexual&#8221;? any time someone says that you know they are denying the facts!</p>
<p>If I say there is an Animal that we should stop eating though it is very tasty. This animal has a comb, somethings hanging under its beak called wattles, the male has spurs and crows, this animal also has two wings and two legs. Its tastes very nice when you fry it, bake it, stew it oh and it is sold a lot at popeyes (Cajun style). The females lay eggs that most people enjoy for breakfast or even lunch, fried, boiled, poached or scrambled. wouldnt you know what I was talking about though I didnt use the word CHICKEN!</p>
<p>The word homosexual may not be in the bible but the act of homosexuality is, so if we read Romans 1 where is states people being sexual with those of the same sex there is no doubt that due to the today language and words we use we would say, &#8220;oh he is talking about homosexuality&#8221;</p>
<p>UNBELIEVABLE!</p>
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		<title>By: Paul N</title>
		<link>http://www.gcmwatch.com/2510/bible-abuse-alert-umc-pastor-calls-homosexuality-clean/comment-page-1#comment-6808</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul N</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 13:50:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Peter was inclined to reject the meaning of the vision, whereas these pro-gay theologians have views on human sexuality that are virtually indistinguishable from the prevailing culture and they are glad to accept this “new revelation.” &quot;

Great point  Peter said &quot;Lord I have never eaten anything unclean&quot; but this socalled &quot;new revelation has been always been rejected by God.

What is her point exactly, that homosexuality is not a sin or that God accepts them even though it is a sin?

I hear people say &quot;I am a gay christian&quot;, can one then be a murderer christian, etc?

I may be a Christian that struggles in an Area but to claim the sin to myself is speaking death.

If we truly are saved God does not see us as we were prior to our conversion and will no doubt empower us in our struggle with our flesh, we also need eachother.

To continue in sin, claim it and not fight is madness and such as persons salvation is very questionable.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans%206;&amp;version=9;
Romans 6
1What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?

 2God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

12Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.

 13Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.

 14For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

16Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

 17But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.

God bless!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Peter was inclined to reject the meaning of the vision, whereas these pro-gay theologians have views on human sexuality that are virtually indistinguishable from the prevailing culture and they are glad to accept this “new revelation.” &#8221;</p>
<p>Great point  Peter said &#8220;Lord I have never eaten anything unclean&#8221; but this socalled &#8220;new revelation has been always been rejected by God.</p>
<p>What is her point exactly, that homosexuality is not a sin or that God accepts them even though it is a sin?</p>
<p>I hear people say &#8220;I am a gay christian&#8221;, can one then be a murderer christian, etc?</p>
<p>I may be a Christian that struggles in an Area but to claim the sin to myself is speaking death.</p>
<p>If we truly are saved God does not see us as we were prior to our conversion and will no doubt empower us in our struggle with our flesh, we also need eachother.</p>
<p>To continue in sin, claim it and not fight is madness and such as persons salvation is very questionable.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans%206;&#038;version=9" rel="nofollow">http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans%206;&#038;version=9</a>;<br />
Romans 6<br />
1What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?</p>
<p> 2God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?</p>
<p>12Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.</p>
<p> 13Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.</p>
<p> 14For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.</p>
<p>16Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?</p>
<p> 17But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.</p>
<p>God bless!</p>
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		<title>By: gcmwatch</title>
		<link>http://www.gcmwatch.com/2510/bible-abuse-alert-umc-pastor-calls-homosexuality-clean/comment-page-1#comment-6804</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jun 2009 16:01:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neil man you were in the Spirit on this!

You brought out two phenomenal aspects of this fallacy that demand repeating for emphasis:

1. You said &quot;[Peter&#039;s] vision overturned a ceremonial law, not a moral law. There are zero examples in the Bible of God reversing his moral laws. In fact, the more Jesus talked the stricter the laws seemed to get, because He emphasized the spirit of the law and not just the letter (i.e., lust was akin to committing adultery, anger was akin to murder, etc.). The dietary laws never applied to Gentiles.&quot;

Homosexual theologians and their supporters conceal this truth from their followers. This willful lying to keep people in bondage to their sin will reap a  heavy penalty from God. When you look at Jesus&#039; teachings, his teachings on morality were much stricter than even the OT ones because he added the intangible restrictions to it as well.

2. You said, &quot; There was external validation for Peter from the Roman centurion.&quot;

The scripture specifically notes upfront that Cornelius was &quot;devout and God-fearing&quot; which meant he didnt violate moral/sexual laws, even if he had not been made righteous by faith in Christ. Perhaps that is why God chose him to exemplify extending salvation to the gentiles. It also drives home the point I have been making. You CANNOT continue in sexual sin if you expect to go forward in relationship with Christ. Cornelius validated that quite to the contrary of the false teaching of Diana Holbert.

Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neil man you were in the Spirit on this!</p>
<p>You brought out two phenomenal aspects of this fallacy that demand repeating for emphasis:</p>
<p>1. You said &#8220;[Peter's] vision overturned a ceremonial law, not a moral law. There are zero examples in the Bible of God reversing his moral laws. In fact, the more Jesus talked the stricter the laws seemed to get, because He emphasized the spirit of the law and not just the letter (i.e., lust was akin to committing adultery, anger was akin to murder, etc.). The dietary laws never applied to Gentiles.&#8221;</p>
<p>Homosexual theologians and their supporters conceal this truth from their followers. This willful lying to keep people in bondage to their sin will reap a  heavy penalty from God. When you look at Jesus&#8217; teachings, his teachings on morality were much stricter than even the OT ones because he added the intangible restrictions to it as well.</p>
<p>2. You said, &#8221; There was external validation for Peter from the Roman centurion.&#8221;</p>
<p>The scripture specifically notes upfront that Cornelius was &#8220;devout and God-fearing&#8221; which meant he didnt violate moral/sexual laws, even if he had not been made righteous by faith in Christ. Perhaps that is why God chose him to exemplify extending salvation to the gentiles. It also drives home the point I have been making. You CANNOT continue in sexual sin if you expect to go forward in relationship with Christ. Cornelius validated that quite to the contrary of the false teaching of Diana Holbert.</p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
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