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		<title>By: Paul N</title>
		<link>http://www.gcmwatch.com/2964/cogics-culture-of-cover-up-deep-and-destructive/comment-page-1#comment-7970</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul N</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 18:03:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ms. Cherrie, I would like to commend you for leaving actually, from experience it is so hard to pull away from emotional attachements even when you know you should. More than anything else I think as Christians need to be in healthy relationships (as much as possible, it is after all what Jesus is talking about.

Its one thing to have to struggle in the world but we would hope that our church would be a place of refuge, love, acceptance, encouragement.

Ephesians 4:15-17 
 15But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ: 

 16From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love. 

 17This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity of their mind,

How on earth could this have happened in this church?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ms. Cherrie, I would like to commend you for leaving actually, from experience it is so hard to pull away from emotional attachements even when you know you should. More than anything else I think as Christians need to be in healthy relationships (as much as possible, it is after all what Jesus is talking about.</p>
<p>Its one thing to have to struggle in the world but we would hope that our church would be a place of refuge, love, acceptance, encouragement.</p>
<p>Ephesians 4:15-17<br />
 15But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ: </p>
<p> 16From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love. </p>
<p> 17This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity of their mind,</p>
<p>How on earth could this have happened in this church?</p>
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		<title>By: Paul N</title>
		<link>http://www.gcmwatch.com/2964/cogics-culture-of-cover-up-deep-and-destructive/comment-page-1#comment-7969</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul N</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 17:54:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>N&#039;Catina, my sentiments exactly, the denomination thing is all you have said.

AChapman are you saying that it would be better for Ms. Cherrie to stay? what is your scriptural reference for someone staying in a Church where the leadership is unholy? I more see God telling us to move on! I mean, we are taught not even to eat with a person who lives like this. 

Truly, leaving a denomination is not leaving the &quot;CHURCH&quot;, &quot;THE BODY OF CHRIST&quot;

I pray God delivers you from denominational bondage, thats what it is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>N&#8217;Catina, my sentiments exactly, the denomination thing is all you have said.</p>
<p>AChapman are you saying that it would be better for Ms. Cherrie to stay? what is your scriptural reference for someone staying in a Church where the leadership is unholy? I more see God telling us to move on! I mean, we are taught not even to eat with a person who lives like this. </p>
<p>Truly, leaving a denomination is not leaving the &#8220;CHURCH&#8221;, &#8220;THE BODY OF CHRIST&#8221;</p>
<p>I pray God delivers you from denominational bondage, thats what it is.</p>
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		<title>By: N'Catina</title>
		<link>http://www.gcmwatch.com/2964/cogics-culture-of-cover-up-deep-and-destructive/comment-page-1#comment-7968</link>
		<dc:creator>N'Catina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 17:28:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GCM, I have took time daily to read through these threads and as I did so, I concluded that ALL DENOMINATIONS carry elements of evil because they were all created by man.  Nowhere in scripture are there any specifc references, or endorsements therein, concerning the various and still growing number of denominations on the current landscape.  Inherent within the scripture concerning the shortcomings of anything man does or creates, all of these denominations--COGIC included--have taken what is supposed to be joy in worshipping God and have made it into a worthless, leagalistic, paternalistic, abusive entity.  The only difference with this demonination, other than the catholic &quot;church&quot; and a few others is that the sexual and other scandolous skeltons have not yet fallen out of the closet for public viewing. 

I also found AChapman’s comments to be personally offense, lending to the wide stereotype that all Christians are to be subservient to all powers, under all conditions, under all circumstances.  I left two &quot;non-denominational &#039;churches&#039;&quot; in part because the &quot;leadership&quot; became intoxicated in its own power and did so to the irreparable harm of the congregants.  To that end, AChapman and others need to examine themselves for, among other things, compassion and the discernment to decipher leadership according to scripture versus dominonism practiced among cults.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GCM, I have took time daily to read through these threads and as I did so, I concluded that ALL DENOMINATIONS carry elements of evil because they were all created by man.  Nowhere in scripture are there any specifc references, or endorsements therein, concerning the various and still growing number of denominations on the current landscape.  Inherent within the scripture concerning the shortcomings of anything man does or creates, all of these denominations&#8211;COGIC included&#8211;have taken what is supposed to be joy in worshipping God and have made it into a worthless, leagalistic, paternalistic, abusive entity.  The only difference with this demonination, other than the catholic &#8220;church&#8221; and a few others is that the sexual and other scandolous skeltons have not yet fallen out of the closet for public viewing. </p>
<p>I also found AChapman’s comments to be personally offense, lending to the wide stereotype that all Christians are to be subservient to all powers, under all conditions, under all circumstances.  I left two &#8220;non-denominational &#8216;churches&#8217;&#8221; in part because the &#8220;leadership&#8221; became intoxicated in its own power and did so to the irreparable harm of the congregants.  To that end, AChapman and others need to examine themselves for, among other things, compassion and the discernment to decipher leadership according to scripture versus dominonism practiced among cults.</p>
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		<title>By: gcmwatch</title>
		<link>http://www.gcmwatch.com/2964/cogics-culture-of-cover-up-deep-and-destructive/comment-page-1#comment-7967</link>
		<dc:creator>gcmwatch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 16:45:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To tell you the truth, AChapman&#039;s comments smack of the callous insensitivity so common in COGIC. What&#039;s worse, I used to think the same way. If you leave COGIC you have backslid. I had no concept of the kingdom of God or the body of Christ. I lived in a COGIC born-COGIC-bred world which taught us were were the only church that was right.  That sort of misguided pride in one&#039;s denomination (which by the way Bishop Mason DID NOT foster) is indicative of why the denomination has lost its bearings on holiness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To tell you the truth, AChapman&#8217;s comments smack of the callous insensitivity so common in COGIC. What&#8217;s worse, I used to think the same way. If you leave COGIC you have backslid. I had no concept of the kingdom of God or the body of Christ. I lived in a COGIC born-COGIC-bred world which taught us were were the only church that was right.  That sort of misguided pride in one&#8217;s denomination (which by the way Bishop Mason DID NOT foster) is indicative of why the denomination has lost its bearings on holiness.</p>
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		<title>By: cherrie cola</title>
		<link>http://www.gcmwatch.com/2964/cogics-culture-of-cover-up-deep-and-destructive/comment-page-1#comment-7966</link>
		<dc:creator>cherrie cola</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 15:11:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To: AChapman

I&#039;m assuming your post was relative to my story, &quot;An Ungodly Silence&quot;.  I, too, was taught the ills of church-hopping and I was never looking for that Pastor to &quot;rescue&quot; me. On those points, I agree with you wholeheartedly.  

But I not only disagree with, but am offended by, your surmising that I &quot;left the church in the wrong way.&quot;  As the Shepherd under which all those members had placed the care of their very souls, I fully expected that Pastor to put a stop to those he allowed to serve in the pulpit and choir who were so blatantly and boldly practicing sins of infidelity, adultery, and physical abuse.    

It was not that I blamed the entire organization for one Pastor&#039;s actions and it was only after much prayer, many tears, and not a little anxiety that I left the COGIC.  Why? Because I simply could no longer support and seed into an institution absolutely mired in traditionalism and legalism and what I deemed &quot;patriarchal terrorism&quot;. 

But you&#039;ll be glad to know I have definitely let the past go. I&#039;m spiritually healthy, whole and healed and have been for years. I&#039;m in ministry with a Kingdom-minded mentality that manifests itself in service and most of all, I&#039;m happy with Jesus alone.  

Yes, Bishop Mason paved the way for true holiness and quite frankly, I think he would be grieved to know how the COGIC has digressed.  It sounds like you have developed that same cult mentality I witnessed and almost succumbed to myself.  But I challenge you -- no, I dare you to allow the Truth of the Word to set you free.  I dare you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To: AChapman</p>
<p>I&#8217;m assuming your post was relative to my story, &#8220;An Ungodly Silence&#8221;.  I, too, was taught the ills of church-hopping and I was never looking for that Pastor to &#8220;rescue&#8221; me. On those points, I agree with you wholeheartedly.  </p>
<p>But I not only disagree with, but am offended by, your surmising that I &#8220;left the church in the wrong way.&#8221;  As the Shepherd under which all those members had placed the care of their very souls, I fully expected that Pastor to put a stop to those he allowed to serve in the pulpit and choir who were so blatantly and boldly practicing sins of infidelity, adultery, and physical abuse.    </p>
<p>It was not that I blamed the entire organization for one Pastor&#8217;s actions and it was only after much prayer, many tears, and not a little anxiety that I left the COGIC.  Why? Because I simply could no longer support and seed into an institution absolutely mired in traditionalism and legalism and what I deemed &#8220;patriarchal terrorism&#8221;. </p>
<p>But you&#8217;ll be glad to know I have definitely let the past go. I&#8217;m spiritually healthy, whole and healed and have been for years. I&#8217;m in ministry with a Kingdom-minded mentality that manifests itself in service and most of all, I&#8217;m happy with Jesus alone.  </p>
<p>Yes, Bishop Mason paved the way for true holiness and quite frankly, I think he would be grieved to know how the COGIC has digressed.  It sounds like you have developed that same cult mentality I witnessed and almost succumbed to myself.  But I challenge you &#8212; no, I dare you to allow the Truth of the Word to set you free.  I dare you.</p>
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		<title>By: achapman</title>
		<link>http://www.gcmwatch.com/2964/cogics-culture-of-cover-up-deep-and-destructive/comment-page-1#comment-7955</link>
		<dc:creator>achapman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 02:14:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i really admire your boldness but i dnt agree with u leaving the COGIC. Holiness is right by it self u cant blame the whole church for your pastors action. You have to let the past go if you want to make it to heaven. Bishop Mason paved the way for us now it is up to us to live the life. Im from a small town and im been taught true holiness. We dnt believe in church hopping God is soon to crack the sky the question is will u be ready. So dnt take it the wrong way but u left the church the wrong way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i really admire your boldness but i dnt agree with u leaving the COGIC. Holiness is right by it self u cant blame the whole church for your pastors action. You have to let the past go if you want to make it to heaven. Bishop Mason paved the way for us now it is up to us to live the life. Im from a small town and im been taught true holiness. We dnt believe in church hopping God is soon to crack the sky the question is will u be ready. So dnt take it the wrong way but u left the church the wrong way.</p>
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		<title>By: gcmwatch</title>
		<link>http://www.gcmwatch.com/2964/cogics-culture-of-cover-up-deep-and-destructive/comment-page-1#comment-7917</link>
		<dc:creator>gcmwatch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 19:41:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Melvin I asked those same questions and he swore up and down in Memphis (see below video) this year that &quot;of course he&#039;s against gay marriage, homosexuality, abortion, etc. But where&#039;s the proof? COGIC proclamation? A leader of his position should be leading not being silent. Anyone can search and you&#039;ll find scant if any public reports where Bishop Blake has spoken out against these issues. Some say he does it all the time at West A. I looked there (on his site) but I dont see anything of the sort. What are we supposed to do: join West Angeles to find out?

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Melvin I asked those same questions and he swore up and down in Memphis (see below video) this year that &#8220;of course he&#8217;s against gay marriage, homosexuality, abortion, etc. But where&#8217;s the proof? COGIC proclamation? A leader of his position should be leading not being silent. Anyone can search and you&#8217;ll find scant if any public reports where Bishop Blake has spoken out against these issues. Some say he does it all the time at West A. I looked there (on his site) but I dont see anything of the sort. What are we supposed to do: join West Angeles to find out?</p>
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		<title>By: melvin jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>melvin jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 19:32:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I HAVE ANOTHER COMMENT.  I REMEMBER AS A CHILD IN MY COGIC CHURCH WHEN OUR ORGAN PLAYER MOVED TO ANOTHER STATE.  WE NEEDED A MUSICIAN SO OUR PASTOR AT THAT TIME, GOT A NEW ORGAN PLAYER. I REMEMBER THIS GUY LOOKING VERY FEMINENT AND GIRLY. LOOKING BACK TODAY, I AM SURE THAT HE WAS GAY.  HE ONLY PLAYED AT OUR CHURCH FOR A FEW MONTHS BUT I DID SEE HIM PLAY AT OTHER CHURCHES. IN ANOTHER CASE, TODAY, MY WIFE AND I KNOW OF A COGIC ORGANIST WHO WAS ARRESTED IN A GAY PUBLIC BATHROOM SEX STING THAT WAS PUBLISHED IN OUR LOCAL NEWSPAPER. IS THAT MAN STILL PLAYING IN COGIC CHURCHES, YES. I AM NOT CONDEMNING COGIC, THEY HAVE BUILT ME UP SPIRITUALLY AND HAVE BEEN A BIG PART OF MY FAMILY HISTORY. I JUST DON&#039;T WANT TO SEE IT GO IN THE WRONG DIRECTION LIKE SOME OTHER DENOMINATIONS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I HAVE ANOTHER COMMENT.  I REMEMBER AS A CHILD IN MY COGIC CHURCH WHEN OUR ORGAN PLAYER MOVED TO ANOTHER STATE.  WE NEEDED A MUSICIAN SO OUR PASTOR AT THAT TIME, GOT A NEW ORGAN PLAYER. I REMEMBER THIS GUY LOOKING VERY FEMINENT AND GIRLY. LOOKING BACK TODAY, I AM SURE THAT HE WAS GAY.  HE ONLY PLAYED AT OUR CHURCH FOR A FEW MONTHS BUT I DID SEE HIM PLAY AT OTHER CHURCHES. IN ANOTHER CASE, TODAY, MY WIFE AND I KNOW OF A COGIC ORGANIST WHO WAS ARRESTED IN A GAY PUBLIC BATHROOM SEX STING THAT WAS PUBLISHED IN OUR LOCAL NEWSPAPER. IS THAT MAN STILL PLAYING IN COGIC CHURCHES, YES. I AM NOT CONDEMNING COGIC, THEY HAVE BUILT ME UP SPIRITUALLY AND HAVE BEEN A BIG PART OF MY FAMILY HISTORY. I JUST DON&#8217;T WANT TO SEE IT GO IN THE WRONG DIRECTION LIKE SOME OTHER DENOMINATIONS.</p>
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		<title>By: melvin jones</title>
		<link>http://www.gcmwatch.com/2964/cogics-culture-of-cover-up-deep-and-destructive/comment-page-1#comment-7913</link>
		<dc:creator>melvin jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 19:15:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>THERE IS A DON&#039;T ASK, DON&#039;T TELL POLICY IN COGIC. THERE IS A SPIRIT OF PRIDE AND TOUCH NOT MINE ANNOINTING PROTECTION OF SOME OF COGIC PASTORS.  FOUNDER MASON&#039;S YES LORD, AFFIRMATION NEEDS TO BE REVISITED BY COGIC.  COGIC HEAD LEADER BISHOP BLAKE TROUBLES ME BECAUSE HE IS TOO SILENT ON SINS THAT IS AFFECTING HIS STATE AND THIS COUNTRY SUCH AS HOMOSEXUALITY, DRUG USE AND GANG VIOLENCE.  THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA IS VERY DEEP INTO GANG VIOLENCE, HOMOSEXUALITY, DRUGS, AND MARIJUANA USE BUT I NEVER SEE BISHOP BLAKE PLAY AN ACTIVE ROLE IN THE MEDIA OF DENOUNCING THESE PUBLIC ILLS, NOR DOES HE ACTIVELY DENOUNCE THESE ILLS IN THE CHURCH.  I AM NOT JUDGING HIM, JUST QUESTIONING HIM.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>THERE IS A DON&#8217;T ASK, DON&#8217;T TELL POLICY IN COGIC. THERE IS A SPIRIT OF PRIDE AND TOUCH NOT MINE ANNOINTING PROTECTION OF SOME OF COGIC PASTORS.  FOUNDER MASON&#8217;S YES LORD, AFFIRMATION NEEDS TO BE REVISITED BY COGIC.  COGIC HEAD LEADER BISHOP BLAKE TROUBLES ME BECAUSE HE IS TOO SILENT ON SINS THAT IS AFFECTING HIS STATE AND THIS COUNTRY SUCH AS HOMOSEXUALITY, DRUG USE AND GANG VIOLENCE.  THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA IS VERY DEEP INTO GANG VIOLENCE, HOMOSEXUALITY, DRUGS, AND MARIJUANA USE BUT I NEVER SEE BISHOP BLAKE PLAY AN ACTIVE ROLE IN THE MEDIA OF DENOUNCING THESE PUBLIC ILLS, NOR DOES HE ACTIVELY DENOUNCE THESE ILLS IN THE CHURCH.  I AM NOT JUDGING HIM, JUST QUESTIONING HIM.</p>
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		<title>By: cherrie cola</title>
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		<dc:creator>cherrie cola</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 15:41:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>pastor foster,

(you can remove this post after reading)

&lt;strong&gt;GCMW: cherrie, send it to gcmwatch@yahoo.com and I will repost the copy you send. thanks for letting me know.&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>pastor foster,</p>
<p>(you can remove this post after reading)</p>
<p><strong>GCMW: cherrie, send it to <a href="mailto:gcmwatch@yahoo.com">gcmwatch@yahoo.com</a> and I will repost the copy you send. thanks for letting me know.</strong></p>
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