Comments on: Surveying COGIC’s justice system

By: Lafe

Lafe — Mon, 17 Aug 2009 15:22:47 +0000

Yes, Mercedes…it is a sin of omission. Regretably, too many “saints” want to find a church home to rest in and not rock the boat. The sense of fellowship is so strong to many that they will overlook glaring error and sin because they want a place that they can call their “church home”.
That is too sad that they will turn a blind eye to evil in the camp because they want someone to “like them” and they want to
feel accepted. Both are not Biblical concepts for fellowship but rather is a desire of the flesh to be with others and even at the expense of accommodating sin. That is not of the Holy Spirit and until we mature and understand that fellowship with God is the only thing you need and that He alone can keep you, we will continue to have their exposes of sin in the camp because the “saints” of God will not take a stand and say NO!…because they value the applause and smiles of men and women more than person conscience and integrity!
You do not need a spiritual renegade approving you as a person or as a child of God. You do not need the “right hand of fellowship”
in order to be in God’s kingdom.
You do not need the bishop or the pastor to smile upon you and grant you favor. God does that! So, when evil is in the camp…what now is your excuse for turning a blind eye and walking away? You certainly are not pleasing God but man.

By: Mercedes

Mercedes — Sat, 15 Aug 2009 15:11:30 +0000

Isn’t it a sin for somebody in the assembly to know that somebody is being molested but won’t say anything? Isn’t there something about being a stumbling block to someone? I am so tired of these people not standing up to these so called leaders.

By: Lafe

Lafe — Fri, 14 Aug 2009 21:00:56 +0000

People: The fact that the COGIC website would delete comments that are not in their best interest shows that they are about image and public relations. Cares and concerns about the molested or abused is secondary.
Regrettably, there is not a Court TV series on this Sherman Allen trial. The world needs to see this perp and hear from the actual
witnesses.
I have no patience with these man made doctrines and titles and
protocols which have the effect of covering up wrongdoing and yet on Sundays these same charlatans will be the loudest praising God in the sanctuary!
Judgement begins at the house of God and COGIC needs a major spanking and house cleaning and repentance.
When churches become crusty with the sins of the flesh and those sins are not corrected by those who have the job of overseer, it is time for that entity to crumble.
People who are in these assemblies and you know that abuse is happening, be it against a fellow believer or financial shenanigans or serious doctrinal error, you need to come out and find another place of fellowship and get away from that religious
spirit that will corrupt you since you are being warned but yet you delay because you want the fellowship of the saints. God can provide fellowship anywhere but especially with Him. You do not need fellowship to maintain your salvation. Stay attached to the Head and the body will thrive!

By: gcmwatch

gcmwatch — Fri, 14 Aug 2009 15:25:14 +0000

Bishop Blake did the same thing with the UDIHR situation. Actions without prior approval of the General Assembly. That’s why when we raised this issue, he basically went and retroactively got approval of the board and assembly. Its very interesting that when Chandler Owens said that he had that power, Blake went to court to testify against it. But now, he’s doing the same thing. In fact, he was adamant that the PB did not have that type of power.

Re the Investigative Department, from what I have read this seems to be is another sham (sorry have to be honest) church junket set up to obfuscate and hinder real discovery when criminal activity occurs.

Like I said, there was no external announcement so it reminded me of a church CIA covert-type.

So much for transparency and integrity.

By: gcmwatch

gcmwatch — Fri, 14 Aug 2009 15:17:37 +0000

Pastor Burnett, which comment and was this addressed to a specific person?

By: Pastor Burnett

Pastor Burnett — Fri, 14 Aug 2009 15:11:09 +0000

I know that comment doesn’t address the abuse issue specifically, I think you’re doing an excellent job in that regard…I focus on the mishandling of all of this situations and sins from the top. It’s traggic and it only seems to be more obfuscation.

By: Pastor Burnett

Pastor Burnett — Fri, 14 Aug 2009 15:09:31 +0000

Investigative service dept.? What is that?…I know you addressed it in the article but there is already a “supposed” investigate board by “constitutional law” that is in every jurisdiction. That board is the one who “supposedly” investigates allegations of misconduct etc.

How does the Presiding Bishop institute new dept.’s and heads, that take over duties outlined by the constitution without approval of the General Assembly?

What is that???

By: gcmwatch

gcmwatch — Tue, 11 Aug 2009 22:51:08 +0000

Hey, thats a good idea. I dont solicit attention for this blog, but it has gotten much attention. I think once that trial breaks there will be a lot of COGIC members looking to find out what is happenening with their church. I think Bishop Blake has shot himself in the foot by evoking the silence rule because when the constituency starts looking for information, they wont find it at COGIC or from their leaders. Hopefully, they can see the truth here.

By: N'Catina

N'Catina — Tue, 11 Aug 2009 22:10:29 +0000

GCM, given the gravity of what has and is still transpiring here, have you contemplated altering one or two national outlets regarding these sex scandals? Although the potential audience for this site has the propensity to be very large, the traffic for “mainstream” news sites, cnn.com, etc. has a very large, sustained number of people that hit that site daily.

By: gcmwatch

gcmwatch — Tue, 11 Aug 2009 21:56:32 +0000

V, I agree with you. They are terrified of this Sherman Allen trial becoming a public relations nightmare. And it very well maybe but as Jeremiah Wright said the chickens do come home to roost. I wouldnt put it past them if they have lawyers who are trained to downplay or even shut down media attention.

Allen’s trial (with them as co-defendants) is a watershed moment. Heretofore COGIC have avoided widespread public scrutiny through less than honest methods, but this woman really is a hero for not taking the money to go away and be quiet.

That makes this very unique. There is a caveat though, the liberal, white-guilt media has played kid gloves with black churches and thus tend to under report things like this. It may occur on a local level but with COGIC being a self touted international entity, it should be national news.