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	<title>Comments on: Jamal Bryant preaching to COGIC?</title>
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		<title>By: cdebose</title>
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		<dc:creator>cdebose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 23:18:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Out of 24 years of live not once have I met a man or woman that was blameless. God tell us to b perfect in his eye sight and blameless but how many of u can honestly say u followed or followin is law to t pastor jamal bryant is a man not God how can u judge someone else and clearly tells u not to so with that say u r in rebellion against God and we all kno there&#039;s no sin greater than the other. Instead of judgin him y not pray for him would Jesus our lord and saviour do that think about it ppl</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Out of 24 years of live not once have I met a man or woman that was blameless. God tell us to b perfect in his eye sight and blameless but how many of u can honestly say u followed or followin is law to t pastor jamal bryant is a man not God how can u judge someone else and clearly tells u not to so with that say u r in rebellion against God and we all kno there&#8217;s no sin greater than the other. Instead of judgin him y not pray for him would Jesus our lord and saviour do that think about it ppl</p>
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		<title>By: Pastor Burnett</title>
		<link>http://www.gcmwatch.com/3679/jamal-bryant-preaching-to-cogic/comment-page-1#comment-10745</link>
		<dc:creator>Pastor Burnett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 05:34:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I said &lt;i&gt;anthitethical&lt;/i&gt; I don&#039;t know what that is...I MEANT antithetical...wow...a spelling bee I would not win-LOL!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I said <i>anthitethical</i> I don&#8217;t know what that is&#8230;I MEANT antithetical&#8230;wow&#8230;a spelling bee I would not win-LOL!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Pastor Burnett</title>
		<link>http://www.gcmwatch.com/3679/jamal-bryant-preaching-to-cogic/comment-page-1#comment-10739</link>
		<dc:creator>Pastor Burnett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 22:48:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Elder Foster,

You asked, &lt;i&gt;&quot;Is the issue NOT saying anything about your doctrine (if its false) when you speak at another’s church or is it just a matter what that person represents even if they say nothing about it at all?&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

First, I think leadership has an obligation to only present those who live and walk truthfully or biblically. 7th day sin is no worse than Lutheran or Baptist sin. No greater either. Secondly, leadership is charged with maintaining the spiritual growth of the flock. If the person coming in can&#039;t add to God&#039;s agenda then they shouldn&#039;t be there. 

What happens though when a Lutheran minister has a word for the congregation and all you can see is that he&#039;s a Lutheran? One can miss God looking at organization etc or trying to scruitinize every word being a Methodist, Baptist or 7th Day word (etc) as opposed to a biblical word.

Djenk23 points to a practice within the 7th Day as being anthitethical to Christian doctrine and practice. I&#039;m not sure if it&#039;s CURRENT practice for them or not, BUT let&#039;s do the same with Herbert Armstrong&#039;s WWCOG. They wholesale changed their doctrine and practice some years ago. God brought a whole denomination from apostasy to the light...Is what they once espoused greater than what they affirm now? If we let their origin seperate us now that&#039;s called a genetic fallacy and one must be careful because as with them, they&#039;ve moved on into blessing and seek the true word of God...

Now we can look at JW&#039;s, Mormons, Islam and all of those religions who CURRENTLY and openly and unashamedly espouse anti Christian and anti-biblical doctrines. Like I said I don&#039;t know about 7 dayers and how their false phrophetic start causes them to CURRENTLY espouse and practice false doctrine but why throw away the biblical teachings of a minister because he&#039;s associated with an organization which you question?

If that&#039;s the case, I wouldn&#039;t listen to any Presb, Lutheran, Anglican, Baptist and the list goes on...i could be like many and do this because &quot;the bible tells me so&quot; but I think brotherly love is in order...HOWEVER stand vehemently and strongly against anti or nonbiblical teachings and doctrines, but we must control our kneejerk reactions at times...&lt;b&gt;I found that in me when he began to speak,&lt;/b&gt; BUT I heard the Word of the Lord and what God was saying to the church, and in my opinion, the brother said somethign that I believe that God sent.  

That&#039;s my take anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Elder Foster,</p>
<p>You asked, <i>&#8220;Is the issue NOT saying anything about your doctrine (if its false) when you speak at another’s church or is it just a matter what that person represents even if they say nothing about it at all?&#8221;</i></p>
<p>First, I think leadership has an obligation to only present those who live and walk truthfully or biblically. 7th day sin is no worse than Lutheran or Baptist sin. No greater either. Secondly, leadership is charged with maintaining the spiritual growth of the flock. If the person coming in can&#8217;t add to God&#8217;s agenda then they shouldn&#8217;t be there. </p>
<p>What happens though when a Lutheran minister has a word for the congregation and all you can see is that he&#8217;s a Lutheran? One can miss God looking at organization etc or trying to scruitinize every word being a Methodist, Baptist or 7th Day word (etc) as opposed to a biblical word.</p>
<p>Djenk23 points to a practice within the 7th Day as being anthitethical to Christian doctrine and practice. I&#8217;m not sure if it&#8217;s CURRENT practice for them or not, BUT let&#8217;s do the same with Herbert Armstrong&#8217;s WWCOG. They wholesale changed their doctrine and practice some years ago. God brought a whole denomination from apostasy to the light&#8230;Is what they once espoused greater than what they affirm now? If we let their origin seperate us now that&#8217;s called a genetic fallacy and one must be careful because as with them, they&#8217;ve moved on into blessing and seek the true word of God&#8230;</p>
<p>Now we can look at JW&#8217;s, Mormons, Islam and all of those religions who CURRENTLY and openly and unashamedly espouse anti Christian and anti-biblical doctrines. Like I said I don&#8217;t know about 7 dayers and how their false phrophetic start causes them to CURRENTLY espouse and practice false doctrine but why throw away the biblical teachings of a minister because he&#8217;s associated with an organization which you question?</p>
<p>If that&#8217;s the case, I wouldn&#8217;t listen to any Presb, Lutheran, Anglican, Baptist and the list goes on&#8230;i could be like many and do this because &#8220;the bible tells me so&#8221; but I think brotherly love is in order&#8230;HOWEVER stand vehemently and strongly against anti or nonbiblical teachings and doctrines, but we must control our kneejerk reactions at times&#8230;<b>I found that in me when he began to speak,</b> BUT I heard the Word of the Lord and what God was saying to the church, and in my opinion, the brother said somethign that I believe that God sent.  </p>
<p>That&#8217;s my take anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: djenk23</title>
		<link>http://www.gcmwatch.com/3679/jamal-bryant-preaching-to-cogic/comment-page-1#comment-10736</link>
		<dc:creator>djenk23</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 21:58:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seventh Day Adventistism and Jehovah&#039;s Witnesses/Watchtowerites are branches of the same tree..would you invite a JW elder to preach at your church?..this is more than just me and you having different interpretations about whether or not women should wear pants based on Leviticus...we are talking about extra-biblical doctrine...check out the Investigative Judgment in their writings..Jesus was supposed come back in 1844..and when He didnt come back, they came up with the doctrine of the Investigative Judgment...similar to the Watchtower spinning their many false predictions of Jesus return...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seventh Day Adventistism and Jehovah&#8217;s Witnesses/Watchtowerites are branches of the same tree..would you invite a JW elder to preach at your church?..this is more than just me and you having different interpretations about whether or not women should wear pants based on Leviticus&#8230;we are talking about extra-biblical doctrine&#8230;check out the Investigative Judgment in their writings..Jesus was supposed come back in 1844..and when He didnt come back, they came up with the doctrine of the Investigative Judgment&#8230;similar to the Watchtower spinning their many false predictions of Jesus return&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: gcmwatch</title>
		<link>http://www.gcmwatch.com/3679/jamal-bryant-preaching-to-cogic/comment-page-1#comment-10730</link>
		<dc:creator>gcmwatch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 20:58:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Youre right, doctrinally, the SDA was pretty much on point.  I &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sdanet.org/atissue/books/qod/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;looked at their doctrine&lt;/a&gt; last night. Im not sure about the prophecy via Mary Eddy Baker issue. I have several very good friends (SDA Elders) and I have never heard one ounce of false teaching come from them. Personally, I have ZERO problem with church/sabbath on Sat as opposed to Sun. There may be other issues I would immediately part company on but nothing jumps out right away.

Pastor Burnett I do have a question though concerning reciprocal, cross faith appearances. Others may be wondering the same thing.  Is the issue NOT saying anything about your doctrine (if its false) when you speak at another&#039;s church or is it just a matter what that person represents even if they say nothing about it at all? For instance, the PAW had a big row recently about inviting Trinitarian speakers to the conferences. I agree with you about &quot;nonessentials&quot;, so Im not sure most folks are aware what essentials and nonessentials are.

Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Youre right, doctrinally, the SDA was pretty much on point.  I <a href="http://www.sdanet.org/atissue/books/qod/" rel="nofollow">looked at their doctrine</a> last night. Im not sure about the prophecy via Mary Eddy Baker issue. I have several very good friends (SDA Elders) and I have never heard one ounce of false teaching come from them. Personally, I have ZERO problem with church/sabbath on Sat as opposed to Sun. There may be other issues I would immediately part company on but nothing jumps out right away.</p>
<p>Pastor Burnett I do have a question though concerning reciprocal, cross faith appearances. Others may be wondering the same thing.  Is the issue NOT saying anything about your doctrine (if its false) when you speak at another&#8217;s church or is it just a matter what that person represents even if they say nothing about it at all? For instance, the PAW had a big row recently about inviting Trinitarian speakers to the conferences. I agree with you about &#8220;nonessentials&#8221;, so Im not sure most folks are aware what essentials and nonessentials are.</p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Pastor Burnett</title>
		<link>http://www.gcmwatch.com/3679/jamal-bryant-preaching-to-cogic/comment-page-1#comment-10729</link>
		<dc:creator>Pastor Burnett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 20:11:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LB Bryant knew he wasn&#039;t center stage...he was either lying about his role of trying to bate some conversation in some way. I personally think he wanted to draw out Elder Foster and others in some way...I believe this was done on purpose. 

So far as the other speaker, he was better than Bryant from what I understand and observed. He didn&#039;t preach 7th day adventism, and in addtion to that, If we are christians and maintain essentials of the faith, why does one have to line up with us doctrinally before one can address the bible? I mean last I knew 7th dayers were Christians right?

now this drives home another issue, some reformers (traditionalists) wouldn&#039;t allow me a pentecostal to address them from the word...I feel that&#039;s ashame. I know the word and do study it diligently even IF I don&#039;t agree with their interpretives, but I also know enough to not try to indoctrinize someone just because I speak at their church, it&#039;s called charity and love and kindness...

This man is a Christian, lives right, embraces the bible as authority, then debate him over nonessential theology, but don&#039;t become unChristlike (in my opinion)because he doesn&#039;t embrace your doctrine...Now, Gomes was a TOTALLY different story. He embraces and promotes the homosexual agenda and a host of other godless and antibiblical issues, but Barry Black doesn&#039;t.

If there&#039;s a criticism of Black it&#039;s contained within the thought that America is actually a Christian Nation and the gov&#039;t is ordained and sanctioned of and by God...That&#039;s the fault but even that we can work with, can&#039;t we? I men we do with others who have no association with COGIC, why not with this fella?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LB Bryant knew he wasn&#8217;t center stage&#8230;he was either lying about his role of trying to bate some conversation in some way. I personally think he wanted to draw out Elder Foster and others in some way&#8230;I believe this was done on purpose. </p>
<p>So far as the other speaker, he was better than Bryant from what I understand and observed. He didn&#8217;t preach 7th day adventism, and in addtion to that, If we are christians and maintain essentials of the faith, why does one have to line up with us doctrinally before one can address the bible? I mean last I knew 7th dayers were Christians right?</p>
<p>now this drives home another issue, some reformers (traditionalists) wouldn&#8217;t allow me a pentecostal to address them from the word&#8230;I feel that&#8217;s ashame. I know the word and do study it diligently even IF I don&#8217;t agree with their interpretives, but I also know enough to not try to indoctrinize someone just because I speak at their church, it&#8217;s called charity and love and kindness&#8230;</p>
<p>This man is a Christian, lives right, embraces the bible as authority, then debate him over nonessential theology, but don&#8217;t become unChristlike (in my opinion)because he doesn&#8217;t embrace your doctrine&#8230;Now, Gomes was a TOTALLY different story. He embraces and promotes the homosexual agenda and a host of other godless and antibiblical issues, but Barry Black doesn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>If there&#8217;s a criticism of Black it&#8217;s contained within the thought that America is actually a Christian Nation and the gov&#8217;t is ordained and sanctioned of and by God&#8230;That&#8217;s the fault but even that we can work with, can&#8217;t we? I men we do with others who have no association with COGIC, why not with this fella?</p>
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