Comments on: In Vallejo, CA ’spiritual warfare’ comes to the forefront http://www.gcmwatch.com/3830/in-vallejo-ca-spiritual-warfare-comes-to-the-forefront Thu, 29 Jul 2010 15:15:54 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.3 hourly 1 By: gcmwatch http://www.gcmwatch.com/3830/in-vallejo-ca-spiritual-warfare-comes-to-the-forefront/comment-page-1#comment-11317 gcmwatch Sun, 06 Dec 2009 04:01:25 +0000 http://www.gcmwatch.com/?p=3830#comment-11317 Agreed, democracy is just that. When the mayor comes up for re-election his opponents will have their turn to oust him based on votes. But this is much ado about nothing. Public officials shouldnt have to be atheists when they are in office even if their religious views are "offensive". They same applies to gay public officials who make statements not supported or representative of 100% of the populace. I didnt mention this is the story, but a an openly gay councilman issued a joint statement with the mayor's apology saying the remarks were blown out of proportion. The mayor as far as I can tell hasnt passed or hindered any legislation unfair to gay citizens. And they know that. The initial NYT article seemed to push the idea that the "fundamentalists" of Vallejo didnt want gays to live there. How shallow and unfair to the city. Such biases exist everywhere across the spectrum. It was noted that West Vallejo had a considerable number of gays there. Are they unhappy with the lower property rates that SanFran or unhappy because their SF money cant get them immediate power in the city? Agreed, democracy is just that. When the mayor comes up for re-election his opponents will have their turn to oust him based on votes. But this is much ado about nothing. Public officials shouldnt have to be atheists when they are in office even if their religious views are “offensive”. They same applies to gay public officials who make statements not supported or representative of 100% of the populace.

I didnt mention this is the story, but a an openly gay councilman issued a joint statement with the mayor’s apology saying the remarks were blown out of proportion. The mayor as far as I can tell hasnt passed or hindered any legislation unfair to gay citizens. And they know that. The initial NYT article seemed to push the idea that the “fundamentalists” of Vallejo didnt want gays to live there. How shallow and unfair to the city. Such biases exist everywhere across the spectrum. It was noted that West Vallejo had a considerable number of gays there. Are they unhappy with the lower property rates that SanFran or unhappy because their SF money cant get them immediate power in the city?

]]> By: Min. Antwoine Williams http://www.gcmwatch.com/3830/in-vallejo-ca-spiritual-warfare-comes-to-the-forefront/comment-page-1#comment-11316 Min. Antwoine Williams Sun, 06 Dec 2009 03:31:20 +0000 http://www.gcmwatch.com/?p=3830#comment-11316 Well, I'm all for democracy...I believe Christians should be active in the community and politics in general...the Mayor was ask a personal question about Gay's he gave his response...as Gay Black male, I could care less about his personal views...it's his politics..how would he govern?..would he discriminate against a person who is Same Gender Loving, I'm assuming he wouldn't..since he is holding a Public Office..he must be fair to everyone..obey the laws... So, as long as the Mayor is fair..and as long as his policies do not discriminate...then fair game for him to be able to express his views... However, speaking as a political strategist..if he "narrowly" won his last election running against an "openly gay" person..then he is going to need his "base" (Christians who support him) to show at the voting booth...otherwise...he will have a tough time when election night comes around again.. Sometimes, my community makes a fuss over nothing...a persons personal view should be respected..regardless if you agree with it or not... Well, I’m all for democracy…I believe Christians should be active in the community and politics in general…the Mayor was ask a personal question about Gay’s he gave his response…as Gay Black male, I could care less about his personal views…it’s his politics..how would he govern?..would he discriminate against a person who is Same Gender Loving, I’m assuming he wouldn’t..since he is holding a Public Office..he must be fair to everyone..obey the laws…

So, as long as the Mayor is fair..and as long as his policies do not discriminate…then fair game for him to be able to express his views…

However, speaking as a political strategist..if he “narrowly” won his last election running against an “openly gay” person..then he is going to need his “base” (Christians who support him) to show at the voting booth…otherwise…he will have a tough time when election night comes around again..

Sometimes, my community makes a fuss over nothing…a persons personal view should be respected..regardless if you agree with it or not…

]]> By: Paul N http://www.gcmwatch.com/3830/in-vallejo-ca-spiritual-warfare-comes-to-the-forefront/comment-page-1#comment-11308 Paul N Sat, 05 Dec 2009 23:16:38 +0000 http://www.gcmwatch.com/?p=3830#comment-11308 Praise The LORD! Mayor Davis and Pastor Jefferson are to be commended and yes they will need our earnest prayers. We live in a time when all the "Christian" politicians I have heard, when addressed with the question of homosexuality say its not a sin, I applaud his boldness! I love Pastor Jeffersons heart for ministry and agree with the issues he has stated that will affect the church. Te Church must address hard issues, not to change the world but to preserve the church and the principles we stand on. Many leaders hard from these issues he stated but the fact is the world is not and what goes against our standards is being forced upon us as right. Its makes no sense to bury our heads in the sand because the issues are on the front page and we can only combat it effectively when we are aware. I agree, lets teach and make the people of God aware! God bless! Praise The LORD! Mayor Davis and Pastor Jefferson are to be commended and yes they will need our earnest prayers.

We live in a time when all the “Christian” politicians I have heard, when addressed with the question of homosexuality say its not a sin, I applaud his boldness!

I love Pastor Jeffersons heart for ministry and agree with the issues he has stated that will affect the church. Te Church must address hard issues, not to change the world but to preserve the church and the principles we stand on.

Many leaders hard from these issues he stated but the fact is the world is not and what goes against our standards is being forced upon us as right. Its makes no sense to bury our heads in the sand because the issues are on the front page and we can only combat it effectively when we are aware.

I agree, lets teach and make the people of God aware!

God bless!

]]> By: gcmwatch http://www.gcmwatch.com/3830/in-vallejo-ca-spiritual-warfare-comes-to-the-forefront/comment-page-1#comment-11305 gcmwatch Sat, 05 Dec 2009 20:28:22 +0000 http://www.gcmwatch.com/?p=3830#comment-11305 <strong>TO ALL COMMENTERS: PLEASE RESTRICT YOUR REMARKS TO THE CONTENTS OF THE POST.</strong> GCM WATCH TO ALL COMMENTERS: PLEASE RESTRICT YOUR REMARKS TO THE CONTENTS OF THE POST.

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]]> By: nan http://www.gcmwatch.com/3830/in-vallejo-ca-spiritual-warfare-comes-to-the-forefront/comment-page-1#comment-11301 nan Sat, 05 Dec 2009 19:05:41 +0000 http://www.gcmwatch.com/?p=3830#comment-11301 I say who is my mother, my brother, sister,aunt, uncle etc. I say those are obedient to God and are living and trying to come to perfection in Christ for our father God is perfect. To those who want to continue to live in sin unrepentant in any way you are not my mother, father, sister, brother etc. and God does not love everybody I say who is my mother, my brother, sister,aunt, uncle etc. I say those are obedient to God and are living and trying to come to perfection in Christ for our father God is perfect. To those who want to continue to live in sin unrepentant in any way you are not my mother, father, sister, brother etc. and God does not love everybody

]]> By: Lafe http://www.gcmwatch.com/3830/in-vallejo-ca-spiritual-warfare-comes-to-the-forefront/comment-page-1#comment-11299 Lafe Sat, 05 Dec 2009 17:25:58 +0000 http://www.gcmwatch.com/?p=3830#comment-11299 People of God...When it comes to the issues of sin and redemption and righteousness and the Biblical standards of what God requires of those who call upon his name, the church has the right and the necessity to make its voice known. The message should be clear and consise and backed by scripture. The church is never to run from Satan or his inspired imps and demons....never.Resist the devil and he will flee from YOU...not the other way around. Whenever the enemy or the media starts lashing out at the church, you know you are doing something right. The armor of God that we have on does not allow for any retreat. The call is forward...not backwards and certainly not cowardice or shameful silence. The church of the living God has a message and that is Repent and believe the Gospel! Pray one for the other and stand fast for in this world you will have tribulation but be of good cheer for our Christ has overcome the world. Do not be in awe of the enemy or the names that they can marshall in this fight. Remember we have the slingshot and the five smooth stones! Rehearse the Bible stories and see yourself in them and use the sword of the Word of God and give no ground to the enemy. Remember, this is God's fight. Not yours...so don't act as if you are without power and wisdom. Satan and his imps in the homosexual community are on the warpath against God and his redeemed. Even if you are by yourself...you and God are a majority! Feast upon the Word of God and pray like a crazy man and be at peace because it is not about you. God will not be mocked. I read the back of the book and we win!! People of God…When it comes to the issues of sin and redemption
and righteousness and the Biblical standards of what God requires of those who call upon his name, the church has the right and the
necessity to make its voice known. The message should be clear and consise and backed by scripture.
The church is never to run from Satan or his inspired imps and
demons….never.Resist the devil and he will flee from YOU…not
the other way around.
Whenever the enemy or the media starts lashing out at the church,
you know you are doing something right.
The armor of God that we have on does not allow for any retreat.
The call is forward…not backwards and certainly not cowardice
or shameful silence.
The church of the living God has a message and that is Repent
and believe the Gospel!
Pray one for the other and stand fast for in this world you will
have tribulation but be of good cheer for our Christ has overcome the world.
Do not be in awe of the enemy or the names that they can marshall in this fight. Remember we have the slingshot and the five smooth stones!
Rehearse the Bible stories and see yourself in them and use the sword of the Word of God and give no ground to the enemy.
Remember, this is God’s fight. Not yours…so don’t act as if you
are without power and wisdom.
Satan and his imps in the homosexual community are on the warpath against God and his redeemed.
Even if you are by yourself…you and God are a majority!
Feast upon the Word of God and pray like a crazy man and be at peace because it is not about you.
God will not be mocked. I read the back of the book and we win!!

]]> By: gcmwatch http://www.gcmwatch.com/3830/in-vallejo-ca-spiritual-warfare-comes-to-the-forefront/comment-page-1#comment-11290 gcmwatch Sat, 05 Dec 2009 15:59:01 +0000 http://www.gcmwatch.com/?p=3830#comment-11290 "Pastor Sheppard" is this your real name? What church do you pastor and what jurisdiction? Im not trying to bust you out, but you posted another comment under a different name and email with different accusation. All deleted. So, which is it? Is there a reason you are pretending to be someone else? If you are not who you say you are, then you are diluting the discussion on the content of the article, not whether or not you like or dislike Danny Jefferson. “Pastor Sheppard” is this your real name? What church do you pastor and what jurisdiction? Im not trying to bust you out, but you posted another comment under a different name and email with different accusation. All deleted. So, which is it? Is there a reason you are pretending to be someone else? If you are not who you say you are, then you are diluting the discussion on the content of the article, not whether or not you like or dislike Danny Jefferson.

]]> By: Mary http://www.gcmwatch.com/3830/in-vallejo-ca-spiritual-warfare-comes-to-the-forefront/comment-page-1#comment-11278 Mary Sat, 05 Dec 2009 04:26:40 +0000 http://www.gcmwatch.com/?p=3830#comment-11278 Please, Please keep trying to promote rising above this issue. I am afraid. I am afraid that the haters on whatever sides there might be, if they exist, on all sides who love the chaos, stiring things up, just to keep the hatred going. Hate is like swallowing poison and waiting for the other guy to die. I am afraid for my City, I am afraid for my brothers, sisters, fathers, mothers, friends I know and have yet to meet, I'm afraid for our elderly, and youth and people of all shades of color. Zealots have taken down the saints and the sinners, the guilty and the innocent. Please, Please keep trying to promote rising above this issue. I am afraid. I am afraid that the haters on whatever sides there might be, if they exist, on all sides who love the chaos, stiring things up, just to keep the hatred going. Hate is like swallowing poison and waiting for the other guy to die. I am afraid for my City, I am afraid for my brothers, sisters, fathers, mothers, friends I know and have yet to meet, I’m afraid for our elderly, and youth and people of all shades of color. Zealots have taken down the saints and the sinners, the guilty and the innocent.

]]> By: Robert http://www.gcmwatch.com/3830/in-vallejo-ca-spiritual-warfare-comes-to-the-forefront/comment-page-1#comment-11277 Robert Sat, 05 Dec 2009 04:26:02 +0000 http://www.gcmwatch.com/?p=3830#comment-11277 Pastor Sheppard what Bible are you reading? Could you clarify how he is somehow out of order with calling out sin? The vicious hate of the gay community is spewing out, I bet he was called more than a few racist names by those sodomites. Pastor Sheppard what Bible are you reading?

Could you clarify how he is somehow out of order with calling out sin? The vicious hate of the gay community is spewing out, I bet he was called more than a few racist names by those sodomites.

]]> By: Pastor Sheppard http://www.gcmwatch.com/3830/in-vallejo-ca-spiritual-warfare-comes-to-the-forefront/comment-page-1#comment-11276 Pastor Sheppard Sat, 05 Dec 2009 02:08:11 +0000 http://www.gcmwatch.com/?p=3830#comment-11276 I am appalled and is a Pastor within the Church of God in Christ in the Bay Area. Jefferson is out of order to say anything that is negative about the leaders in our church. What does this have to do with Mayor Davis' comments. Mayor Davis has apologized, which was the correct thing to do, we need to move forward and stop trying to have our own agenda and power. Jefferson does not speak for Church of God in Christ Pastors. Stop this madness. I am appalled and is a Pastor within the Church of God in Christ in the Bay Area. Jefferson is out of order to say anything that is negative about the leaders in our church. What does this have to do with Mayor Davis’ comments. Mayor Davis has apologized, which was the correct thing to do, we need to move forward and stop trying to have our own agenda and power. Jefferson does not speak for Church of God in Christ Pastors. Stop this madness.

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