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		<title>By: REVAROBINSON</title>
		<link>http://www.gcmwatch.com/3838/new-christian-declaration-causing-division/comment-page-1#comment-11269</link>
		<dc:creator>REVAROBINSON</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 23:23:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GREETINGS ELDER FOSTER

LET US ALL WATCH AND PRAY, THESE DAYS ARE EVIL WE SEE WHATS GOING ON THE CHURCH AROUND THE CHURCH ETC, IF WE LOOK BACK AND STUDY THE CHRISTIAN HISTORY,WE WILL SEE THAT THIS GENERATION HAS ERR FROM THE TRUTH,WHEN WE SEE THESE THINGS COMING TO PASS TRULY WE WOULD LIKE TO DO SOMETHING AND SEE CHANGE BUT WE ALSO MUST REALIZE THAT SCRIPTURE IS BEING FULFILLED.THAT BEING SAID CONTINUE TO ABIDE IN CHRIST JESUS SO THAT NONE OF US WILL ERR WE MUST BELIEVE TO THE SAVING OF THE SOUL AND NOT DRAW BACK LIKE SOME HAS, THIS EVIL GENERATION AS CHANGE AND MOST ARE ON THAT BROAD WAY THAT LEADS TO DEATH.I ASK I PLEAD WITH EACH OF YOU THAT ARE TRULY BORN AGAIN NOT TO LET THESE UNCLEAN SPIRITS THAT ARE IN THESE VESSELS OF DISHONOUR TO DISTRACT YOU THATS THERE JOB BUT EXAMINE YOURSELVES WHETHER YE BE IN THE FAITH PROVE YOUR OWN SELVES KNOW YE NOT YOUR OWN SELVES HOW THAT JESUS CHRIST IS IN YOU EXCEPT YE BE REPROBATES IF THESE UBCLEAN SPIRITS CAN GET YOU FROM ABIDING IN CHRIST BELIEVING (TRUSTING RELYING) IN JESUS CHRIST THEY WON THATS THERE JOB. WHAT HAPPENS NEXT IS THAT WE JUST HAVE A FORM OF GODLINESS, NO POWER, WE DON&#039;T HAVE THAT HUNGER AND THRIST AFTER RIGHTEOUSNESS, IN OTHER WORDS WE JUST STOP GROWING, AND STUN ARE FAITH CAUSE FAITH COMES BY HEARING AND HEARING BY THE WORD OF GOD SO STAY FOCUS ON JESUS CHRIST WHEN WE TRULY BELIEVE OUT OF ARE VELLY WILL FLOW RIVERS OF LIVING WATER IF THAT HAS NOT HAPPEN YET WE NEED TO CONTINUE AND THEN THESE SIGNS WILL FOLLOW THE THAT BELIEVE ALSO IN JESUS NAME THEY WILL DO MARK 16:17,18 SO LET US ALL STAY FOCUS AND REALLY FOCUS JESUS SAID WATCH WHAT I SAY UNTO YOU I SAY UNTO ALL WATCH GOD BLESS EACH OF YOU THIS LORD DAY

&lt;strong&gt;GCMW: Thank you Rev Robinson, your words are wise and true for all of us. Examine ourselves to see whether we are in the faith, not the church.&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GREETINGS ELDER FOSTER</p>
<p>LET US ALL WATCH AND PRAY, THESE DAYS ARE EVIL WE SEE WHATS GOING ON THE CHURCH AROUND THE CHURCH ETC, IF WE LOOK BACK AND STUDY THE CHRISTIAN HISTORY,WE WILL SEE THAT THIS GENERATION HAS ERR FROM THE TRUTH,WHEN WE SEE THESE THINGS COMING TO PASS TRULY WE WOULD LIKE TO DO SOMETHING AND SEE CHANGE BUT WE ALSO MUST REALIZE THAT SCRIPTURE IS BEING FULFILLED.THAT BEING SAID CONTINUE TO ABIDE IN CHRIST JESUS SO THAT NONE OF US WILL ERR WE MUST BELIEVE TO THE SAVING OF THE SOUL AND NOT DRAW BACK LIKE SOME HAS, THIS EVIL GENERATION AS CHANGE AND MOST ARE ON THAT BROAD WAY THAT LEADS TO DEATH.I ASK I PLEAD WITH EACH OF YOU THAT ARE TRULY BORN AGAIN NOT TO LET THESE UNCLEAN SPIRITS THAT ARE IN THESE VESSELS OF DISHONOUR TO DISTRACT YOU THATS THERE JOB BUT EXAMINE YOURSELVES WHETHER YE BE IN THE FAITH PROVE YOUR OWN SELVES KNOW YE NOT YOUR OWN SELVES HOW THAT JESUS CHRIST IS IN YOU EXCEPT YE BE REPROBATES IF THESE UBCLEAN SPIRITS CAN GET YOU FROM ABIDING IN CHRIST BELIEVING (TRUSTING RELYING) IN JESUS CHRIST THEY WON THATS THERE JOB. WHAT HAPPENS NEXT IS THAT WE JUST HAVE A FORM OF GODLINESS, NO POWER, WE DON&#8217;T HAVE THAT HUNGER AND THRIST AFTER RIGHTEOUSNESS, IN OTHER WORDS WE JUST STOP GROWING, AND STUN ARE FAITH CAUSE FAITH COMES BY HEARING AND HEARING BY THE WORD OF GOD SO STAY FOCUS ON JESUS CHRIST WHEN WE TRULY BELIEVE OUT OF ARE VELLY WILL FLOW RIVERS OF LIVING WATER IF THAT HAS NOT HAPPEN YET WE NEED TO CONTINUE AND THEN THESE SIGNS WILL FOLLOW THE THAT BELIEVE ALSO IN JESUS NAME THEY WILL DO MARK 16:17,18 SO LET US ALL STAY FOCUS AND REALLY FOCUS JESUS SAID WATCH WHAT I SAY UNTO YOU I SAY UNTO ALL WATCH GOD BLESS EACH OF YOU THIS LORD DAY</p>
<p><strong>GCMW: Thank you Rev Robinson, your words are wise and true for all of us. Examine ourselves to see whether we are in the faith, not the church.</strong></p>
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		<title>By: Tony Davis</title>
		<link>http://www.gcmwatch.com/3838/new-christian-declaration-causing-division/comment-page-1#comment-11198</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 18:58:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Friends,

I believe the body of Christ, is to be &quot;meek&quot; not &quot;pacife&quot; there is a difference in the words.  I can appreciate the efforts of the &quot;MD&quot;, but I cannot adhere to them.  There are so many issues&#039; going on in the body of Christ right now that we need to deal with and this particular post addresses most of them.  The position of the body is secure because its in Christ, but our condition is of a different matter rd the bk of Rev., concerning the seven churches&#039;.  It doesn&#039;t mean were not to evangelize and fulfill the great commission, for which I do not see this exemplifying, oh I&#039;m sure some evangelizing and ministeering will occur, but it doesn&#039;t seem to be the purpose of the MD.  We must be careful of the church becoming a &quot;social club&quot;, and if were all honest, those of us who believe, its rapidly becoming that, though some of the efforts and programs appear honorable and noble.  The Lord said himself, &quot;I tell you these things, so that you won&#039;t be surprised&quot;, there are just somethings, that are going to happen according to God&#039;s word to set up the arrival of the anti-Christ, and nomatter how many noble and honorable declarations we make it will come to no avail and sometimes if were not careful it takes our attention off of the things we should be focused on (perhaps a subtle move of the enemy).  I might&#039;ve incurred the wrath of some, wasn&#039;t my intention, Paul once said, &quot;make sure you have obtained before you go and strengthen the brethren&quot;, well perhaps maybe and I say maybe we need to deal w/stark issues within the &quot;BODY&quot; before making declarations and remember it took the &quot;Declaration of Independence&quot; 12yrs before it was ratified, Hm just a nugget I threw out there.  Loving you all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Friends,</p>
<p>I believe the body of Christ, is to be &#8220;meek&#8221; not &#8220;pacife&#8221; there is a difference in the words.  I can appreciate the efforts of the &#8220;MD&#8221;, but I cannot adhere to them.  There are so many issues&#8217; going on in the body of Christ right now that we need to deal with and this particular post addresses most of them.  The position of the body is secure because its in Christ, but our condition is of a different matter rd the bk of Rev., concerning the seven churches&#8217;.  It doesn&#8217;t mean were not to evangelize and fulfill the great commission, for which I do not see this exemplifying, oh I&#8217;m sure some evangelizing and ministeering will occur, but it doesn&#8217;t seem to be the purpose of the MD.  We must be careful of the church becoming a &#8220;social club&#8221;, and if were all honest, those of us who believe, its rapidly becoming that, though some of the efforts and programs appear honorable and noble.  The Lord said himself, &#8220;I tell you these things, so that you won&#8217;t be surprised&#8221;, there are just somethings, that are going to happen according to God&#8217;s word to set up the arrival of the anti-Christ, and nomatter how many noble and honorable declarations we make it will come to no avail and sometimes if were not careful it takes our attention off of the things we should be focused on (perhaps a subtle move of the enemy).  I might&#8217;ve incurred the wrath of some, wasn&#8217;t my intention, Paul once said, &#8220;make sure you have obtained before you go and strengthen the brethren&#8221;, well perhaps maybe and I say maybe we need to deal w/stark issues within the &#8220;BODY&#8221; before making declarations and remember it took the &#8220;Declaration of Independence&#8221; 12yrs before it was ratified, Hm just a nugget I threw out there.  Loving you all.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://www.gcmwatch.com/3838/new-christian-declaration-causing-division/comment-page-1#comment-11196</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 17:17:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the document&#039;s context I understood &quot;the rights of conscience&quot; ... refering to one not being forced by law to preform abortions or sign same sex marriage certficates etc..

&quot;and religious liberty&quot; as a way of re-affirming what has currently being taken away by the state; freedom &lt;b&gt;OF&lt;/b&gt; religion.  

The reason documents like this don&#039;t work biblically speaking - they must include &quot;all faiths and beliefs&quot; and in our world, that gets no one closer to Christ than before the way I see it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the document&#8217;s context I understood &#8220;the rights of conscience&#8221; &#8230; refering to one not being forced by law to preform abortions or sign same sex marriage certficates etc..</p>
<p>&#8220;and religious liberty&#8221; as a way of re-affirming what has currently being taken away by the state; freedom <b>OF</b> religion.  </p>
<p>The reason documents like this don&#8217;t work biblically speaking &#8211; they must include &#8220;all faiths and beliefs&#8221; and in our world, that gets no one closer to Christ than before the way I see it.</p>
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		<title>By: gcmwatch</title>
		<link>http://www.gcmwatch.com/3838/new-christian-declaration-causing-division/comment-page-1#comment-11186</link>
		<dc:creator>gcmwatch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 13:51:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>okie, I only posted Dr. Mohler&#039;s link so that people could read a &quot;pro&quot; side of the MD. That&#039;s all.

I dont agree with him on this but I do always appreciate his perspectives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>okie, I only posted Dr. Mohler&#8217;s link so that people could read a &#8220;pro&#8221; side of the MD. That&#8217;s all.</p>
<p>I dont agree with him on this but I do always appreciate his perspectives.</p>
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		<title>By: okiebeliever</title>
		<link>http://www.gcmwatch.com/3838/new-christian-declaration-causing-division/comment-page-1#comment-11175</link>
		<dc:creator>okiebeliever</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 01:01:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I totally disagree with you on this one, gcmwatch, and your citing of Dr. Mohler&#039;s statement doesn&#039;t seem to enhance your position against the MD at all.  Dr. Mohler said he signed the MD because it is a timely and urgent statement of conviction and courage, because the threats to our religious liberties are immediate and real, and finally because he will not render to Ceasar what is God&#039;s.  What problem do you actually have with Mohler&#039;s reasons?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally disagree with you on this one, gcmwatch, and your citing of Dr. Mohler&#8217;s statement doesn&#8217;t seem to enhance your position against the MD at all.  Dr. Mohler said he signed the MD because it is a timely and urgent statement of conviction and courage, because the threats to our religious liberties are immediate and real, and finally because he will not render to Ceasar what is God&#8217;s.  What problem do you actually have with Mohler&#8217;s reasons?</p>
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		<title>By: gcmwatch</title>
		<link>http://www.gcmwatch.com/3838/new-christian-declaration-causing-division/comment-page-1#comment-11169</link>
		<dc:creator>gcmwatch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 21:01:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, camponthis broke it down with much finesse!

I agree with him, this is a good humanist-type of thing, but its motive clouds our gospel mandate.

This is too serious, too critical to field documents and declarations as a solution.

Also here&#039;s Albert Mohler&#039;s defense of why he signed it.

http://www.albertmohler.com/2009/11/23/why-i-signed-the-manhattan-declaration/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, camponthis broke it down with much finesse!</p>
<p>I agree with him, this is a good humanist-type of thing, but its motive clouds our gospel mandate.</p>
<p>This is too serious, too critical to field documents and declarations as a solution.</p>
<p>Also here&#8217;s Albert Mohler&#8217;s defense of why he signed it.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.albertmohler.com/2009/11/23/why-i-signed-the-manhattan-declaration/" rel="nofollow">http://www.albertmohler.com/2009/11/23/why-i-signed-the-manhattan-declaration/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Vaughn</title>
		<link>http://www.gcmwatch.com/3838/new-christian-declaration-causing-division/comment-page-1#comment-11168</link>
		<dc:creator>Vaughn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 20:21:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>THE NEW DOWNGRADE
...12 dangers of Evangelical Co-Belligerence related to the Manhattan Declaration


http://stevenjcamp.blogspot.com/2005/08/new-downgrade12-dangers-of-ecb.html

Camp on This has an excellent article on this, that is really expanded that has the 12 objections along with the dangers that accompany it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>THE NEW DOWNGRADE<br />
&#8230;12 dangers of Evangelical Co-Belligerence related to the Manhattan Declaration</p>
<p><a href="http://stevenjcamp.blogspot.com/2005/08/new-downgrade12-dangers-of-ecb.html" rel="nofollow">http://stevenjcamp.blogspot.com/2005/08/new-downgrade12-dangers-of-ecb.html</a></p>
<p>Camp on This has an excellent article on this, that is really expanded that has the 12 objections along with the dangers that accompany it.</p>
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		<title>By: New Christian declaration causing division &#171; True Discernment</title>
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		<dc:creator>New Christian declaration causing division &#171; True Discernment</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 17:22:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] November 30, 2009 by John    from Gay Christian Movement Watch: [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] November 30, 2009 by John    from Gay Christian Movement Watch: [...]</p>
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		<title>By: I.M.redding</title>
		<link>http://www.gcmwatch.com/3838/new-christian-declaration-causing-division/comment-page-1#comment-11135</link>
		<dc:creator>I.M.redding</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 22:40:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi all ,about 2 years ago there was a story run about a gay preacher from a north carolina school who was invited to speak at a class in another school and because he was met with biblical opposition he claimed he was being attacked by the host and the students,there was a link to the actual mp3 which proved he was not attacked .does anyone here still have that link?
thank you

&lt;strong&gt;GCMW: Its in &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.gcmwatch.com/346/nc-cogic-hosts-gay-christian-theologian&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this story&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/strong&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi all ,about 2 years ago there was a story run about a gay preacher from a north carolina school who was invited to speak at a class in another school and because he was met with biblical opposition he claimed he was being attacked by the host and the students,there was a link to the actual mp3 which proved he was not attacked .does anyone here still have that link?<br />
thank you</p>
<p><strong>GCMW: Its in <a href="http://www.gcmwatch.com/346/nc-cogic-hosts-gay-christian-theologian" rel="nofollow">this story</a>.</strong></p>
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		<title>By: Paul N</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul N</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 22:26:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>exactly right, we dont want to stop this ship from sinking, we want to get people out of the ship to safety in Christ. 

We vote proponents of evil in, peoples whose views are obviously unbiblical and then we complain that those in leadership will try to may gay marriage legal! HUH?!

Can we get real please?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>exactly right, we dont want to stop this ship from sinking, we want to get people out of the ship to safety in Christ. </p>
<p>We vote proponents of evil in, peoples whose views are obviously unbiblical and then we complain that those in leadership will try to may gay marriage legal! HUH?!</p>
<p>Can we get real please?</p>
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