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		<title>By: Jon Daniels</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Daniels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 22:48:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read the article and simultaneously wanted to laugh and cry; I wanted to laugh because some of the claims (and Tonex&#039;s experiences) are to the point of absurdity, and I wanted to cry because it&#039;s sad that this brother spent his entire life in church with ministers for parents, yet he&#039;s in the state he&#039;s in (having to turn to Carlton Pearson, of all people, for answers). 
 My hope and prayer is that the body of Christ will finally seek God on how to effectively minister to homosexual strugglers so that those in the church who are struggling won&#039;t go down the same road as Tonex. And, I hope that Tonex&#039;s able to have an experience with God and get his approval from Him and not from men.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read the article and simultaneously wanted to laugh and cry; I wanted to laugh because some of the claims (and Tonex&#8217;s experiences) are to the point of absurdity, and I wanted to cry because it&#8217;s sad that this brother spent his entire life in church with ministers for parents, yet he&#8217;s in the state he&#8217;s in (having to turn to Carlton Pearson, of all people, for answers).<br />
 My hope and prayer is that the body of Christ will finally seek God on how to effectively minister to homosexual strugglers so that those in the church who are struggling won&#8217;t go down the same road as Tonex. And, I hope that Tonex&#8217;s able to have an experience with God and get his approval from Him and not from men.</p>
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		<title>By: gcmwatch</title>
		<link>http://www.gcmwatch.com/4200/tonex-homosexuality-over-load/comment-page-1#comment-12982</link>
		<dc:creator>gcmwatch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 18:30:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Im helping Job out here. I think.

The reference to oneness pentecostalism and its teachings (or nonteachings) on homosexuality has a bear of how Anthony developed spiritually. Of course, this is a serious problem throughout the church AND it is not unique to pentecostalism whether oneness or trinitarian, but he was brought up under this. The second thing is the recitation of a water baptism forumula cannot deliver anyone nor was it intended to. I will say with my somewhat limited knowledge of oneness churches, they are much more adamant that water baptism is synonymous with salvation, while trinitarians arent so dogmatic about it. Yet, neither saves. Let me be plain: if you are struggling with homosexual sin (or any sin), you can get baptized 100 times &lt;em&gt;in the name of Jesus&lt;/em&gt; and then 100 times &lt;em&gt;in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost&lt;/em&gt; and it will not change the fact that you must repent of your sins and be converted.  Im sure you&#039;ve heard the &quot;go down a dry devil and come up a wet one&quot;. I think they were referring to that. I understand baptism to be symbolic of (a) death, burial and ressurection and (b) an outward and public identification of inward faith in Christ.

I can say the same thing of my COGIC teachings. They were right, but unapplicable. I was told homosexuality was a sin and that people who engaged in that practice were going to hell, that was true,  but that was the extent of it. So, how did that help me overcome, when (a) I didnt want to be homosexual and (b) I show nuff didnt want to go to hell?

It didnt. Because it takes a sincere, sustained and obedient relationship with Jesus to overcome the sin issues. I never made that connection nor do I ever recall being told that in response to issues with homosexuality. While I dont blame my church for my sins, the lack of applicable teaching most certainly colored how I dealt with the issue until I...well read my book.

I think thats what Job is referring to. If not, then he can clarify.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Im helping Job out here. I think.</p>
<p>The reference to oneness pentecostalism and its teachings (or nonteachings) on homosexuality has a bear of how Anthony developed spiritually. Of course, this is a serious problem throughout the church AND it is not unique to pentecostalism whether oneness or trinitarian, but he was brought up under this. The second thing is the recitation of a water baptism forumula cannot deliver anyone nor was it intended to. I will say with my somewhat limited knowledge of oneness churches, they are much more adamant that water baptism is synonymous with salvation, while trinitarians arent so dogmatic about it. Yet, neither saves. Let me be plain: if you are struggling with homosexual sin (or any sin), you can get baptized 100 times <em>in the name of Jesus</em> and then 100 times <em>in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost</em> and it will not change the fact that you must repent of your sins and be converted.  Im sure you&#8217;ve heard the &#8220;go down a dry devil and come up a wet one&#8221;. I think they were referring to that. I understand baptism to be symbolic of (a) death, burial and ressurection and (b) an outward and public identification of inward faith in Christ.</p>
<p>I can say the same thing of my COGIC teachings. They were right, but unapplicable. I was told homosexuality was a sin and that people who engaged in that practice were going to hell, that was true,  but that was the extent of it. So, how did that help me overcome, when (a) I didnt want to be homosexual and (b) I show nuff didnt want to go to hell?</p>
<p>It didnt. Because it takes a sincere, sustained and obedient relationship with Jesus to overcome the sin issues. I never made that connection nor do I ever recall being told that in response to issues with homosexuality. While I dont blame my church for my sins, the lack of applicable teaching most certainly colored how I dealt with the issue until I&#8230;well read my book.</p>
<p>I think thats what Job is referring to. If not, then he can clarify.</p>
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		<title>By: elder jimmy</title>
		<link>http://www.gcmwatch.com/4200/tonex-homosexuality-over-load/comment-page-1#comment-12981</link>
		<dc:creator>elder jimmy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 17:21:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are many Christian traditions that hold &quot;magical views and thinking&quot; about how homosexualtiy originates and is overcome. It is not only the &quot;bad theology&quot; of Pentecostals.  That view oversimplifies the issue. Despite the alleged hurts he expereinced Tonex must make a decision to follow Christ or his pain and desires into debauchery, false doctrine and condemnation for an eternity. He still has choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are many Christian traditions that hold &#8220;magical views and thinking&#8221; about how homosexualtiy originates and is overcome. It is not only the &#8220;bad theology&#8221; of Pentecostals.  That view oversimplifies the issue. Despite the alleged hurts he expereinced Tonex must make a decision to follow Christ or his pain and desires into debauchery, false doctrine and condemnation for an eternity. He still has choice.</p>
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		<title>By: lesha</title>
		<link>http://www.gcmwatch.com/4200/tonex-homosexuality-over-load/comment-page-1#comment-12965</link>
		<dc:creator>lesha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 22:54:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kyle&#039;s comment really hit the nail on the head. 
Alas, many are not confused about their sin, they are proud of it because they serve the master of sin - Satan.

The only Godly solution for sin is confession and repentance to cleansing, forgiveness and redemption through the blood of Jesus Christ.  Sadly, many balk at this, and choose instead to glorify and worship their sin, instead of their Creator.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kyle&#8217;s comment really hit the nail on the head.<br />
Alas, many are not confused about their sin, they are proud of it because they serve the master of sin &#8211; Satan.</p>
<p>The only Godly solution for sin is confession and repentance to cleansing, forgiveness and redemption through the blood of Jesus Christ.  Sadly, many balk at this, and choose instead to glorify and worship their sin, instead of their Creator.</p>
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		<title>By: Observer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Observer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 14:51:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Job, with all due respect, I must say your argument is quite flawed.  If Oneness theology is to be blamed (even partly)in Tonex&#039;s case , then what was James Cleveland&#039;s excuse? or Ray Boltz, or Yvette Flunder? or the many others who are openly or closeted gays in a variety of Trinitarian churches? 

As one who&#039;s been walking with the Lord for a while now, there are several denominations in Christendom I am personally quite familiar with, and I can assure you that there are quite a few denominations you&#039;d probably consider to be more orthodox (such as COGIC,&amp; many black Baptist churches) that have a FAR more pervasive problem with homosexuality than pretty much any Oneness group I know of. If you don&#039;t agree with Oneness churches or their theology that&#039;s fine. But lets not try to make Oneness theology a scapegoat here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Job, with all due respect, I must say your argument is quite flawed.  If Oneness theology is to be blamed (even partly)in Tonex&#8217;s case , then what was James Cleveland&#8217;s excuse? or Ray Boltz, or Yvette Flunder? or the many others who are openly or closeted gays in a variety of Trinitarian churches? </p>
<p>As one who&#8217;s been walking with the Lord for a while now, there are several denominations in Christendom I am personally quite familiar with, and I can assure you that there are quite a few denominations you&#8217;d probably consider to be more orthodox (such as COGIC,&amp; many black Baptist churches) that have a FAR more pervasive problem with homosexuality than pretty much any Oneness group I know of. If you don&#8217;t agree with Oneness churches or their theology that&#8217;s fine. But lets not try to make Oneness theology a scapegoat here.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 18:15:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pastor Foster,

Tonex is a puppet like many other artists and it is displayed in his clothing.  The hat Tonex is wearing in the pic is the black and white checkerboard which is a Satanic symbol.

The Black &amp; White checkerboard is a Masonic symbol which stands for, &quot; The doctrine of bringing order out of chaos, of reconciling the two opposites, evil and good, with Satan reigning over both heaven and hell&quot;.

Also the use of black &amp; white is symbolic of the Duality and shown in the Black and White Ying Yang symbol. &quot;There is really no good or bad according to the Taoist/yin-yang view, only what appears to be good or bad. There is no life and death because &quot;Life and death are one, right and wrong are the same,&quot; (from the Chuang Tzu as quoted in World Religions, Geoffrey Parrinder, p. 333) 

Tonex is not just confused but would appear to be someone who has sold himself to the devil.  His gender bending is an outward expression of his true belief in Eastern Pagan thought expressed by his apparent bisexuality and the use of outward Satanic symbolism.

As I have stated before the corporate acceptance of this lifestyle in music, society, church, and culture is in reality a paganistic movement replete with symbolism with the intent of the outright rejection of the God of the Bible.  This movement is not merely a “lifestyle”.   Universal acceptance of this act is the “crowning achievement” if you will regarding a society that has accepted paganism (Satan) and has rejected the God of the Bible.

The fact that Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed was due to their acceptance and partaking of the satanic ritualistic acts of homosexuality which was a physical outward expression of an inward spiritual darkness.  

Let me stress as I have before.  If you as an individual are struggling with homosexuality understand that you are no greater or less in the eyes of God compared to other unrepentant sinners.  When I speak of this particular lifestyle I am applying it to the collective cultural sense in terms of universal acceptance not towards the single individual.  

Tonex may be an individual who practices this lifestyle but in reality he is a vehicle by which the movement uses as a tool.  So in this case his individual homosexuality is merely an extension of the paganistic antichrist movement.

A Society does not fall when they have accepted this lifestyle.  Rather a society has already completely fallen by the time they accept this lifestyle.

Again let me stress that this particular sin is no greater or worse in regards to an individual sinner.  It is however, when applied over a entire nation, an outward physical sign of a final inward decline of the entire nation.    

Kyle</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pastor Foster,</p>
<p>Tonex is a puppet like many other artists and it is displayed in his clothing.  The hat Tonex is wearing in the pic is the black and white checkerboard which is a Satanic symbol.</p>
<p>The Black &amp; White checkerboard is a Masonic symbol which stands for, &#8221; The doctrine of bringing order out of chaos, of reconciling the two opposites, evil and good, with Satan reigning over both heaven and hell&#8221;.</p>
<p>Also the use of black &amp; white is symbolic of the Duality and shown in the Black and White Ying Yang symbol. &#8220;There is really no good or bad according to the Taoist/yin-yang view, only what appears to be good or bad. There is no life and death because &#8220;Life and death are one, right and wrong are the same,&#8221; (from the Chuang Tzu as quoted in World Religions, Geoffrey Parrinder, p. 333) </p>
<p>Tonex is not just confused but would appear to be someone who has sold himself to the devil.  His gender bending is an outward expression of his true belief in Eastern Pagan thought expressed by his apparent bisexuality and the use of outward Satanic symbolism.</p>
<p>As I have stated before the corporate acceptance of this lifestyle in music, society, church, and culture is in reality a paganistic movement replete with symbolism with the intent of the outright rejection of the God of the Bible.  This movement is not merely a “lifestyle”.   Universal acceptance of this act is the “crowning achievement” if you will regarding a society that has accepted paganism (Satan) and has rejected the God of the Bible.</p>
<p>The fact that Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed was due to their acceptance and partaking of the satanic ritualistic acts of homosexuality which was a physical outward expression of an inward spiritual darkness.  </p>
<p>Let me stress as I have before.  If you as an individual are struggling with homosexuality understand that you are no greater or less in the eyes of God compared to other unrepentant sinners.  When I speak of this particular lifestyle I am applying it to the collective cultural sense in terms of universal acceptance not towards the single individual.  </p>
<p>Tonex may be an individual who practices this lifestyle but in reality he is a vehicle by which the movement uses as a tool.  So in this case his individual homosexuality is merely an extension of the paganistic antichrist movement.</p>
<p>A Society does not fall when they have accepted this lifestyle.  Rather a society has already completely fallen by the time they accept this lifestyle.</p>
<p>Again let me stress that this particular sin is no greater or worse in regards to an individual sinner.  It is however, when applied over a entire nation, an outward physical sign of a final inward decline of the entire nation.    </p>
<p>Kyle</p>
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