Comments on: BET 'Sunday Best' winner performs at gay church dedication

By: Behold

Behold — Thu, 08 Jan 2009 23:44:58 +0000

I asked you a number of questions about your ‘good enough’ explanation & you couldn’t answer any of them.

My point exactly…

GCMW: No, you didnt have a point. That usually makes pointless questions impossible to answer.

By: gcmwatch

gcmwatch — Thu, 08 Jan 2009 21:17:17 +0000

Behold, my thoughts (since I wrote the article) are the same. Perhaps you dont think I did a good enough job explaining why Crystal Aikin was dead wrong biblically for going to perform (you call it ministering) at a homosexual church

So, Im not sure what your point is.

By: behold

behold — Thu, 08 Jan 2009 18:39:19 +0000

I’m curious to know…are heterosexual Christian gospel artists not allowed to minister to gay people through music? If not, what kind of music should gay people listen to?

What I got out of this post is that heterosexual Christian gospel artists that are living in truth and supporting the truth of God’s word should not be ministering the gospel through there singing. I guess that limits them to only ministering at heterosexual churches, huh?

I agree. Homosexuality is an abomination, but I didn’t know that it mean that gay people were prohibited from hearing the gospel through music of a heterosexual gospel artist.

you mentioned the scriputre about being not unequally yoked with unbelievers….

Does her singing at a church actually yoke her to that church?

and are all gay people (even if they’ve accepted Christ by faith through the grace of God) considered to be unbeleivers?

what about the percentage of the congregants who are not gay….are they unbeleivers too because they go there, or is she evenly yoked with the heterosexual half the church and the yoked unevely with the 55% that are confirmed as a gay men who attend the church?

Thoughts?

By: jysuper

jysuper — Mon, 29 Sep 2008 04:45:01 +0000

When I say good I mean people who have been rejected by churches who supposedly love the sinner but hate the sin. I don’t approve of the sin. I see where you’re coming from. I’m not approving of homosexual sexual conduct but them as people who are worthy to be respected and loved as anyone else. The good people that I’m talking about (my friends) know that it’s wrong but because the churches they were apart of told them they were the worst sinners for having homosexual attraction, they joined there because they’re accepted. It’s now up to God and me to get them out. God delivered me from this life so I look at these people with compassion and know they didn’t choose their condition. Like Tye Tribett said in his Doctrine of feelings post, you’re going to feel the tempation, but don’t fulfull it. That’s the message that God will hopefully present through me to my friends.

By: jysuper

jysuper — Sun, 28 Sep 2008 05:50:10 +0000

Good Point.

I don’t look at this as another “gay”church. I know a lot of people that go there and I would have been there not to celebrate sin but to be there for them. They have good people there and while I wouldn’t join them I would pray for them to be reconciled with God. Again, I have many friends there so this is real personal to me.

GCMW: Jysyuper, I think you made that point before. That you have friends there and its personal. Is that what Lot’s wife may have thought about her friends in Sodom? Is that what caused her to look back and thus share their fate? If God says come out and be separate, why keep the connection and call it ministry? I just dont understand why Christians would want to disobey God and the scriptures in order to “help” someone. Is it really worth it? It sounds as if you dont believe what God says is true and you dont think his way of handling disobedient people is sufficient.
Isnt obedience still better than sacrifice? This is precisely why God rejected Saul. Why risk rejection from God?? Please answer that because I just cant see how your reasoning is at all scriptural.

You say there are “good people” there. What is your standard of good? How can they be good when the Bible says even those who approve of homosexuality is worthy of death?

You say that its not just a gay church to you. Vision Church is teaching and living the same polluted doctrine other gay churches do. Just because they look good doing it, doesnt make them any better. A simple test would prove it. Just get one of your friends there to hook up a brief space for you on the program. Once up, simply inform them that homosexual conduct is against God will and those who refuse to repent will not inherit eternal life. IF they are different they will accept your words and repent, if they are not they will reject you and the word you speak. And I doubt you will ever be allowed to speak there again.

By: gcmwatch

gcmwatch — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 19:15:25 +0000

Jysuper, a point well made but lost on this post.
Aiken did not go there to “minister” she went cause they paid her to come and sing at their anniversary.
That’s about it. This is no bar with drunks who dont know Jesus so thats not a fair or accurate comparison.

Dont spiritualize the situation when we know that has she held a view that homosexuality is sinful Aiken would have would have never been invited there.

If Aiken actually did otherwise, why did she refuse to even clarify why she was there? And why did her manager play VERY dumb about the whole situation? Does that sound like honest, upfront ministry or down low “ministry”?

By: jysuper

jysuper — Sat, 27 Sep 2008 17:32:05 +0000

With all due respect, I will give the example of the drunk that in the bar. In order for him to receive the Word it may take a Christian going into the bar and ministering to that person. The devil wants us to stay away from places like this so people won’t receive deliverence. You’re not condoming their actions but providing a way out. There is a difference!

By: LastDaySaint

LastDaySaint — Thu, 25 Sep 2008 15:44:26 +0000

Jesus didn’t condem the person not the sin. Hmmmmm ……lets see what the Bible has to say about that comment. 25Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.
Matthew 23

26Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.

27Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men’s bones, and of all uncleanness.

28Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.

There is a differance between going in a place to minister and bring deliverance and going in a place where your presence will justify there sin. Even in Jesus mercy and compassion he never *winked* at sin.
Let’s see
Woman at the well: Jesus said go and call your husband
Woman caught in adultry: Jesus last words to her go and sin no more

John 5:14
Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.

Sin no more. The message of Chrsit is a message of turning from sin to Christ. Not living in sin and trying to justify it. Read Hebrews 10:26-31:

COME ON SAINT READ THE WORD…..GOD MAKES IT SO PLAIN…

By: jysuper

jysuper — Wed, 24 Sep 2008 21:33:35 +0000

Great post May B. Knot. I echol that. I have a couple of friends including the pastor at Vision Church. We have to meet people where they are. Jesus didn’t condemn the person but the sin!

By: May B. Knot

May B. Knot — Tue, 23 Sep 2008 21:49:06 +0000

I think that when you are a true man or woman of Christ you NEED to minister where you are NEEDED. Jesus went o those who needed him. She needed to be there and to allow the anointing to flow in a place where it obviously is NOT. One problem with Christianity today is that we separate ourselves and stay inside the confines of the church and sing our holy songs and pray prayers for ourselves. If God used her to deliver just one person in that place, she did NOT go in vain.