Comments on: The theological deficiency of Exodus http://www.gcmwatch.com/647/the-theological-deficiency-of-exodus Wed, 08 Feb 2012 01:09:56 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: James http://www.gcmwatch.com/647/the-theological-deficiency-of-exodus/comment-page-1#comment-3262 James Tue, 22 Jul 2008 03:55:18 +0000 http://gcmwatch.wordpress.com/?p=647#comment-3262 This is silly. I have long thought that Exodus was gonna evenutally become a psychology department moreso than a theology department. I think they may be catching a hard case of the "Rick Warren flu." This is silly. I have long thought that Exodus was gonna evenutally become a psychology department moreso than a theology department. I think they may be catching a hard case of the “Rick Warren flu.”

]]> By: Rik Fleming http://www.gcmwatch.com/647/the-theological-deficiency-of-exodus/comment-page-1#comment-3259 Rik Fleming Thu, 17 Jul 2008 13:09:32 +0000 http://gcmwatch.wordpress.com/?p=647#comment-3259 I agree, such statements about “gay people are living in heaven” could lead one to think "therefore I don't need to repent." It is also misleading in another way - are there liars in heaven? Thieves in heaven? No! Perhaps ex-liars who repent of their in through faith in Jesus Christ, but they are no longer associated with their sin for they have now been completely sanctified. But even the saints here on earth do not need to constantly identify themselves with their past sin. I smoked dope for 4 years but it has been 20 years since I have done so. I don't think of myself or identify myself as an "ex-doper." Of course, I am no longer tempted and do not have the desire to smoke dope. But then neither are the saints in heaven tempted or have the desire to have gay sex. What is odd is that what Alan is saying is contradicted by other leaders in Exodus who tell people NOT to identify themselves in such a way. I agree, such statements about “gay people are living in heaven” could lead one to think “therefore I don’t need to repent.”

It is also misleading in another way – are there liars in heaven? Thieves in heaven? No! Perhaps ex-liars who repent of their in through faith in Jesus Christ, but they are no longer associated with their sin for they have now been completely sanctified. But even the saints here on earth do not need to constantly identify themselves with their past sin. I smoked dope for 4 years but it has been 20 years since I have done so. I don’t think of myself or identify myself as an “ex-doper.” Of course, I am no longer tempted and do not have the desire to smoke dope. But then neither are the saints in heaven tempted or have the desire to have gay sex.

What is odd is that what Alan is saying is contradicted by other leaders in Exodus who tell people NOT to identify themselves in such a way.

]]> By: gcmwatch http://www.gcmwatch.com/647/the-theological-deficiency-of-exodus/comment-page-1#comment-3261 gcmwatch Thu, 17 Jul 2008 01:54:23 +0000 http://gcmwatch.wordpress.com/?p=647#comment-3261 Ahhhh, the politics of language. Why is it that those who struggle with homosexuality are the only ones of the redeemed that insist on being identified with their sinful past in such a way? I mean what is the benefit? If there are any others (smokers, liars, adulterers, murderers,etc) I would be happy to note it. The bigger issue with that identification is perhaps giving the impression that wrong thoughts and emotions (orientation?) don't matter as long as we dont do anything. I may be wrong but celibacy alone isnt exactly the freedom that Christ died for. But isnt there enough confusion already about homosexuality without adding to it with such statements? Compare Chambers statement that "gay people are living in heaven" against Bishop Wrights contention that heaven is not a final destination and again...confusion. Rik, I have not talked directly to him about this. But we have had conversations regarding the last post. Im not at liberty to say anymore than that. My point is that if you are going to talk to the media about such a polarizing issue, shouldnt you be much more aware of what you say and how you say it? I would suggest email interviews only or to talk more intentionally about the biblical perspective. Ahhhh, the politics of language. Why is it that those who struggle with homosexuality are the only ones of the redeemed that insist on being identified with their sinful past in such a way? I mean what is the benefit? If there are any others (smokers, liars, adulterers, murderers,etc) I would be happy to note it.

The bigger issue with that identification is perhaps giving the impression that wrong thoughts and emotions (orientation?) don’t matter as long as we dont do anything. I may be wrong but celibacy alone isnt exactly the freedom that Christ died for.

But isnt there enough confusion already about homosexuality without adding to it with such statements?
Compare Chambers statement that “gay people are living in heaven” against Bishop Wrights contention that heaven is not a final destination and again…confusion.

Rik, I have not talked directly to him about this. But we have had conversations regarding the last post. Im not at liberty to say anymore than that. My point is that if you are going to talk to the media about such a polarizing issue, shouldnt you be much more aware of what you say and how you say it?

I would suggest email interviews only or to talk more intentionally about the biblical perspective.

]]> By: Rik Fleming http://www.gcmwatch.com/647/the-theological-deficiency-of-exodus/comment-page-1#comment-3260 Rik Fleming Wed, 16 Jul 2008 22:57:40 +0000 http://gcmwatch.wordpress.com/?p=647#comment-3260 Perhaps by "Gay" he does not mean people who have not repented of homosexual acts but rather people who have same sex attractions. There are a number of people who identify themselves with the word "gay" with the qualifier "celibate" (or they may be married to a woman) and agree that same sex acts are a sin. I have gone round and round with them in arguing why we should NOT use such a term to identify ourselves, yet they continue to do so. Have you asked Alan about this directly? Perhaps by “Gay” he does not mean people who have not repented of homosexual acts but rather people who have same sex attractions. There are a number of people who identify themselves with the word “gay” with the qualifier “celibate” (or they may be married to a woman) and agree that same sex acts are a sin. I have gone round and round with them in arguing why we should NOT use such a term to identify ourselves, yet they continue to do so.

Have you asked Alan about this directly?

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