GCMW talks with Dr. Michael Brown about “queer things”
In an exclusive and extensive interview with GCM Watch, noted international author and teacher and Dr. Michael Brown shares insight on just what has happened to America when it collided with homosexual activism. His well documented book A Queer Thing Happened to America chronicles the startling darkness that has accompanied the homosexual movement into American culture. In contrast to the masked public image of the gay movement, Brown’s books proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that the homosexual movement’s deception is as alarming as it gets.
Gay Christian Movement Watch: Congratulations on this phenomenal book Dr. Brown. I’d like to start by asking you if this book represents an evolution of sorts in terms of how you have viewed the homosexual movement in America?
Dr. Michael Brown: Thanks for the kind words about the book. Yes, it absolutely does represent an evolution in terms of how I have viewed the homosexual movement in America. As I did the research and observed the developments in our society, my feelings went from serious concern to grave alarm, yet at the same time, my heart began to break more and more for the people involved. So, I deeply love those who indentify as GLBT while firmly opposing their activism, which to them, of course, is a complete contradiction.
GCMW: How you think the average American will react to seeing this? I mean some of the information can be quite stunning to someone who isn’t aware of the depth of depravity among this subculture.
MB: The average American will be shocked on quite a few levels. In fact, I’ve heard from people who have been actively involved in dealing with the relevant social and moral and religious issues that they have been shocked by what they’ve read. First, it’s shocking to see how widespread and pervasive gay activism is in our culture; second, it’s shocking to see how successful that activism has been, especially in such a short period of time; third, it’s shocking to see how this activism is trumping religious liberties and freedoms of conscience; fourth, it’s shocking to see how the trajectory of homosexual ideology actually undermines the very foundations of male-female gender; and fifth, it’s shocking to see how, in some segments of the homosexual community (even religious ones), the sexual fixation is extreme.
GCMW: The book has almost 90 pages of endnotes. Why was it necessary for you to so heavily document your writing?
MB: There are more than 1,500 endnotes in the book, and if we didn’t use such a small font for the notes, we would have ended up with many more pages. For me, though, it was very important to document everything carefully and fairly. Not only is it my habit to do meticulous research (I earned my Ph.D. in Near Eastern Languages and Literatures from New York University, and so I I’m trained to look carefully at the original sources), but I also wanted it to be clear that I wasn’t simply citing the latest internet rumor, that I had done my homework, and that those questioning me – and I knew there would be plenty of critics – would be able to check the sources for themselves. I also wanted to allow those with whom I differed to present their positions in their own words, in context, with reference to the original sources.
GCMW: We’ve done a lot of documenting on the excesses of the gay christian movement and in “A queer thing” you devote a chapter  to this. What stands out most about the gay religious movement to you?
MB: That’s a big question, and one that’s especially painful, since I’m sure there are many sincere people going through very intense personal struggles in the gay christian movement. Can you imagine how “liberating” it is for some of them to conclude that, “God made me gay and the Bible doesn’t oppose loving, committed, same-sex relationships”? It’s a very powerful deception, for sure. But there’s another side to that deception, one that I focus on in Chapter Ten. There is often a terribly disturbing, perverted reading of many holy texts in the Scriptures, a sexual focus that produces horrific and deviant interpretations. I was so troubled after writing the final lines to that chapter that I went into another room in our house where my wife was doing some work and broke down crying. To be sure, there are “gay Christian” advocates who have accused me of cherry picking and just looking for perverted interpretations, but the truth is that I simply began to build up a library of major “gay Christian” volumes (actually, getting some “gay Jewish” books as well), and then I began to go through the material and document what I found. Even then, I could not get myself to reproduce some of the quotes – they were just too vile – and I had to summarize some of the content. Of course, I’m aware that not all “gay Christians” read the Bible this way, but to the extent they claim that God made them gay, that their same-sex, sexual relationships can be sanctioned by God, and that, perhaps, men like David and Jonathan or women like Ruth and Naomi were gays and lesbians, to that extent they have seriously misrepresented the Lord and hurt themselves.
MB: Barring some kind of spiritual awakening that leads to a moral and cultural revolution, that’s a very frightening prospect. I see the complete normalizing of homosexuality, bisexuality, and transgenderism to the point that anyone who does not affirm all manner of GLBT identification and behavior will be viewed by society as a bigoted extremist, akin to a member of the KKK. I see schools across the nation fully embracing a full-fledged, gay-slanted curriculum, with no option for parents to opt their kids out, and with strong encouragement for kids to “come out” as GLBT at younger and younger ages (becoming sexually active at younger and younger ages as well; in fact, given enough time, there will be a push to lower the age of consent). In fact, I could easily see gay-slanted curricula being mandated for private religious schools and even home schools. I see the complete breaking down of the “gender dichotomy,” so that more and more people will identify as genderless or multi-gender or gender non-conforming, to the point that men in dresses using a ladies room will be considered quite normal. I see same-sex marriages becoming the law of the land, meaning, once again, that those who do not affirm such unions will be codified as bigots (which, of course, will also be the case as for more “non-discrimination” laws are passed based on gender identity and sexual orientation). I see religious liberties and freedoms of conscience being negated by sexual liberties and freedoms, and I see it becoming illegal for counselors and therapists and, one day, even pastors, to tell homosexuals that they can change their sexual orientation – and this is just for starters. And yet deep down, I believe that God will have mercy on our land and send an awakening, but only if we get to a point of spiritual desperation.
GCMW: A New York Times story recently revealed that gay marriage is devoid of the same sexual standards (like adultery) of biblical heterosexual marriage. Is this something that could eventually spread to the general population of marriage?
MB: You’re talking about what some homosexual men call “open monogamy,” which means that they are primarily involved with one person – living together with some level of commitment, possibly even a formal marriage certificate – and yet they acknowledge there will not be complete sexual fidelity. In fact, some of them are convinced that this is the key to a long-term, successful relationship. In my opinion, this reflects two things: First, it reflects the fact that two men do not have the moderating, tempering effect of a woman in their lives, hence their sexual appetites and fixations are not moderated as would happen in a normal, male-female relationship. It is a well-documented fact (and I discuss it in the book) that homosexual and bisexual men are more sexually active than heterosexual men. Second, it reflects the general moral collapse of our culture, where premarital sex has been the norm for more than a generation; where more and more kids are born out of wedlock; where TV shows celebrate adultery and polyamory and polygamy and where being a prostitute or stripper is something to be celebrated.
GCMW: It’s hard to believe that Christian publishers were afraid to publish the book. Has it gotten that bad?
MB: Yes, it has gotten that bad. I did discuss the project with one particular Christian publisher, and we agreed that what they were looking for and what I was writing were not the best match. Beyond that, it was simply a matter of rejecting the manuscript for a number of reasons (despite my good publishing record as the successful author of twenty books). For some, this was a lost war already. No need to beat a dead horse! For others, this was the wrong strategy. In other words, let’s not fight these cultural battles anymore, let’s just love the people. Others felt the contents were too controversial; all felt the name needed to change (which is so ironic in that the many secular and LGBT folks I talked with about the title had no objection to it all, with some really liking it). I was told by some that they agreed with the book but it would be too costly to publish (this was from a strong conservative publisher who feared bookstore boycotts of his other titles and loss of good authors), and all this was before the book got to be as long as it was, so the length wasn’t the issue then. Others told me plainly the subject just wouldn’t sell today. In no case did anyone criticize the research, the quality of the writing, or the accuracy of the content, nor did anyone take issue with the tone of the book itself.
GCMW: We think homosexual activism is the new social bully on the block. With such overbearing demands of acceptance being forced so relentlessly, why don’t we see the church community fighting with more passion?
MB: It is because to a great extent, many church leaders have lost their courage. On the one hand, we don’t want to be perceived as intolerant, and the moment we are compared with segregationists and slave-owners of the past, we cave in, not having good answers when we are accused of lacking love. Sadly, many Christians were on the wrong side of these issues in our past, and we don’t want to be on the wrong side again, and so, even though we disagree with homosexual practice, we dare not speak up against it. But it goes deeper than that. It’s too costly. We might offend some congregants. We might rustle some feathers. We might get an angry protest outside our lovely building. We might get blasted in the local newspaper. The way of compromise is much easier, and we subtly and unconsciously justify it in the name of wisdom or love. And yet it goes even deeper than that. In many ways, this is just a symptom of our larger compromise with the world, our failure to take up the cross and follow Jesus, the culture changing us rather than us changing the culture. Dr. Martin Luther King spoke this very relevant warning, and I truly believe it is a picture of what we have become today. He said, “The Church must be reminded that it is not the master or the servant of the state, but rather the conscience of the state. It must be the guide and the critic of the state, and never its tool. . . . If the Church does not recapture its prophetic zeal, it will become an irrelevant social club without moral or spiritual authority.”
GCMW: You cited an incident where a gay activist openly posted a graphic, racist death threat to me [page 81], yet nothing was done to him. What do you think would have happened had I done the same to him?
MB: Your face might have been blasted all over the internet and the news media as the latest example of a “God hates fags” preacher, and worse still, you might have been charged with instigating a hate crime of some sort. This much is sure: It’s a lot worse to be labeled anti-gay than anti-black today.
GCMW: I’m interested to know if any prominent church leaders have weighed in on the book. If not, do you think they will?
MB: I’m getting some very encouraging comments from family ministry leaders so far – to the point of saying that this is now THE book on the subject and it should be mandatory reading for all Christian leaders – but their endorsement is not surprising, although I’m blessed by their enthusiasm. As for other, prominent church leaders, some are coming out with strong endorsements, but they are the more socially active types. In contrast, one mega-church pastor, who is a good friend of mine, told me that there is not another mega-church pastor he knows in his city who will even address the issue of homosexuality from the pulpit – even in terms of sexual behavior as opposed to gay activism. That being said, because I’ve had a good track record of ministry for several decades, including being a seminary professor, being involved in world missions, in Jewish outreach, and in revival movements, and because, by God’s grace, don’t rail against those who oppose me, some are willing to rally together with me. Also, things are declining so rapidly around us that they’re realizing they must wake up to what’s happening and take a stand. But I might be too optimistic. This is a tough nut to crack right now, not because of spiritual enlightenment but because of spiritual apathy and confusion.
A Queer Thing Happened to America on Amazon