Beliefs
1. We believe the Bible to be the final and only authority in matters concerning sexuality and the wholeness of mankind. We believe the scriptures are self-validating. “All scripture is given by inspiration of God”(II Timothy 3:16), consequently we hold that the totality of Biblical canon reject contemporary theories and philosophies of genetic homosexuality.
2. We believe that real freedom from homosexual addictions only come through Jesus Christ. We fervently believe that Jesus was the perfect embodiment of truth and that knowing Him makes one free (John 14:6, 8:32). We hold that freedom comes, and is maintained, not through religious methodology, but through a life of submission to Christ, accountability at a Bible-practicing church, and walking daily according to the precepts found in the Holy Word.
3. We believe that according to II Corinthians 5:17 that “if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature, old things are passed away and behold: all things are become new.” Because the Bible declares newness of life in Christ, we reject the theory that one cannot change ”sexual orientation.” This phrase –humanistic in origin– suggests one’s sinful proclivities are immutable, thereby being in direct conflict with the scriptures (John 3:3, Matthew 16:24).
4. We believe that in order to live a life free from sexual immorality, one must be born again and then ask for the free gift of the Holy Spirit. According to Acts 1:8, He (the Spirit) will empower the receiver to be witnesses unto the Lord Jesus Christ. Freedom is not perfectionism nor is it absolutism in conduct, but an acceptance that disciples of Christ must (1) continually lay aside every weight and the sin that does so easily beset us, (2) repent and confess their sins to God who is faithful and just to forgive us and cleanse us all unrighteousness and (3) cast down every thought which seeks to exalt itself above the knowledge of Christ.
5. We encourage persons struggling against sexual and gender identity issues to seek professional counseling for the solutions they desire. Such counseling should not be a replacement for repentance but as a supplement to one’s Christian journey to maturity in Christ. We caution that those providing the counseling, in order to be effective, must base their counseling on Biblical principles. We therefore reject all practices such as yoga, transcendental meditation, spirit-guides and other new-age based techniques that focus on humanistic solutions to the spiritual problem of sin.
6. We believe the Bible speaks clearly to the conditions and consequences of same gender sin without regards to the chronology of society and its ever-changing social mores. The timeless message of the Bible clearly condemns homosexuality in every form, but not without providing the remedy by way of repentance and faith in the work of Christ on the cross. Our response to that glorious work is to conform our lives to the image of Jesus Christ.
7. We affirm the sanctity and worth of every human life, whether homosexual or heterosexual. We believe the agape love of the Father extends to all persons regardless of response. While all persons are God’s creations, all are not God’s children. Thus, we hold homosexual behavior and expression as outside of the will of the Father for His children.
8. We believe that the church is God’s ordained agency in the earth, commissioned to communicate and demonstrate the love and judgment of God. Therefore, we call upon the church, which is the body of our Lord Jesus, to cease its practice of rejecting homosexuals who come to her for help. We hold that the church should openly preach and teach a redemptive message of deliverance and healing for all persons have experienced the ravages of sexual sin. It should also provide applicable ministries to support and nurture these believers into maturity. Likewise, we urge the church to cease its practice of allowing persons, steadfastly unrepentant of homosexuality, to operate in positions of influence and authority. For the scriptures wisely admonish us that “a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump” (I Cor 5:6).
Given the instruction of 1 Corinthians 5, no church should retain anyone who defiantly remains in any form of sin.
I agree with your doctrinal statements. I wanted to comment on whether you’ve taken a look into why Wendy’s has had this campaign showing men with the “Wendy’s wig” on. It seems to all be a part of the enemy’s agenda to desensitize people to the whole cross-gender, trans-gender/homosexual thing. Expecially the one commercial where it’s in Black & White and there’s a huge crowd of women with men faces superimposed and they’re cheering for the man wearing a Wendy girl wig. Why can’t they show women in their commercials who crave their burgers and wear the same red wig? Have you posted anything about that? My family and friends have since stopped going there.
Thank you Valerie.
I dont eat at Wendy’s cause the food is always cold despite what their lying commericials say.
You brought up a good point. I looked around and didnt find anything directly tying Wendy’s to the gay movement other than in 2005, the gay group HRC pressured them to change their “discrimination policy” to include homosexuals and transgenders, which they did.
The commercials really do look like Wendy’s is showing that it wants their business by appealing to the gender switching crowd.
Because it isnt a doctrinal issue, you probably wont see it addressed here.
But I think youre right to boycott them.
I appreciate the stance you take on sexuality defined by Christ.
Continue, however, to remember that many of us, while not practising homo-sexuality, and being redeemed by God, may never feel we can ‘change’ our sexual orientation, ie, become cured in the sense that one all of the sudden ’straight.’
There must be a wide open, effective, active community in the church for celibate, single men and women.
Hello Mark,
Thanks for bringing that to my attention and yes I am (I dont know about others) aware of people like yourself. I used to be one of them.
I have never advocated or taught that this is about being “straight”, but whole. This isnt about being heterosexual, but holy. I dont even like the word straight used in context of sexuality. Its worldly slang to me.
There are some nuances that need to be settled such as identification issues and whether ot not sexual orientation is biblically defined and thus justification for one’s unchanged feelings.
As a single, celibate man what is your thoughts on that?
I used to be involved in sodomy. Then I was born again through faith in Jesus Christ. Homosexuality is sin. Plain and simple. No one who is calls himself a Christian may do it. It is forbidden by God. Period. The Church has become so wimpy, as our society degenerates, that we can barely talk straight, for fear of persecution. So, as the political/social climate becomes more entrenched in defending perversion and suppressing any suggestion that it is just plain evil, the church has become mealy-mouthed, and unable to simply follow the guidelines of Scripture. Anyone who claims to be a brother, and commits sexual sin, is to be disciplined, and if he will not repent, is to be turned over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh. I met a young man (heterosexual sin, in this case) who had had this done to him. Demons came out of the walls of his cabin every night and tormented him. Hopefully he repented. The Bible (New Testament) and what I see all around me seem to be religions from two different planets! I just wonder if the whole thing is so sick that the Father is orchestrating the degeneration of our society in order to bring a persecution that will separate the garbage from the gold. To anyone who is engaging in sexual acts with someone of the same sex–I say–repent! God loves you and sent his Son to die for our vile sins. But his wrath is coming, and if we do not repent, we will be tormented day and night forever in the lake of fire. God can forgive even someone as vile as I, who did the detestable things described in Roman 1. But, praise be to God! I am saved and delivered! Halellujah. A new creature in Christ! Crazy about the woman I married, after 20+ years of marriage. Homosexuality is just a big, fat, lie of the Devil. It can be escaped, just like alcholism, greed for money, violence, backstabbing, lying, or any other sin. They were all paid for on the cross. HALELLUJAH! PRAISE GOD!. COME TODAY AND DRINK OF THE WATERS OF LIFE, THROUGH FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST! Amen.
GCMW: God bless you Tom! That is the message for this generation: repent for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. God can, will and does forgive any and all sin whenever a person is ready. But he requires repentance.
A dear friend of mine in Christ was involved in the homosexual deathstyle (’life’style just doesn’t seem appropriate-it merely proliferates incompletion and self-absorption) for 11 years and repented of it; what is more amazing is that several of his partners have contracted AIDS, while he remains free of any signs or symptoms. He still struggles with homosexuality through a combination of experiencing perverse desires and intense demonic attacks late at night, in which all five senses are employed. I have seen this brave man progress from relapsing into homosexual behavior to now leading a discussion group devoted to sexual purity. Oh yeah, and those soul-calloused liars who say you can’t change your sexual orientation should see this guy. He went from experiencing revulsion of women to now being frequently sexually attracted to them. My brazen arrogance led me to often have lesbian fantasies(I don’t know why it is such a popular porn genre for us guys), and it finally caught up with me, as I have been hit with demonically-inspired homosexual attacks (the friend I have mentioned had suggested that these lesbian fantasies opened the door to these homosexual attacks), from which I am currently recovering, through a combination of devotion to the Word, accountability with my brothers in Christ, and application of Philippians 4:6-7 in prayer. To my brothers and sisters in Christ with almost exclusively heterosexual desires, I WARN YOU:
DO NOT THINK AS I DID THAT YOUR HETEROSEXUALITY IS SECURE, DESPITE YOUR CONTINUED IMMORALITY. Especially, women if you fantasize about two gay men or men if you fantasize about lesbians—Satan CAN attack you if you do not repent of these grievous thoughts. Save yourself, your friends, your family or future family from the degradation brought on by these thoughts. To my friends in Christ who struggle with homosexual desires, understand:
1. Your desires are sin, but unlike what you may hear from the likes of Soulforce founder Mel White and Episcopalian lesbian Virginia Mollenkott, you were neither BORN homosexual nor is homosexuality a part of you–if you choose to reject it as the sin it is.
2. If you are being demonically attacked, as I have, know that Satan is a liar, thief, and murderer-he will employ deception to make homosexuality appear rational, decent, pure (remember he was Lucifer at one time-he still disguises himself as an angel of light) and he would like you to believe you his thoughts or those of his minions are your own
3. Do not hate yourself if you struggle with homosexual desires (those who support the gay cause, such as my cousin, espouse the ‘repentance’ of homosexuals is thinly-veiled self-hatred), but take up your cross and joyfully follow the Lord as you embrace your God-given masculinity or femininity. (Luke 9:23) He loves you as much as any heterosexual, but your sin was not part of His Creative design. If you must, seek professional re-orientation therapy.
GCMW,
I agree with most of what you have to say here, few diferences though. If I might suggest looking at some scriptures. I question your beleif that the religion you are refering to in Item 8, is the church. I see in (Mat 16:18 And I also say unto thee, that thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it.) that Christ is saying hell will not prevail against His church. I have thought about this a for a while and believe the scriptures, when gathered togethered, (the sum) show us what most see as being the Christian church is in fact just a very large group of divided religous kingdoms established by men with little regaurd for the Truth. I know there are many that will not agree, how could they be wrong since so many are a part of their social clubs. But I submitt to you that these groups we call the church have fallen to the gates of hell, you see religion is so weak and without power or any true anointing, that those that see it from the outside have no desire to be a part of it. I find it amazing that in most polls taken, over 80% of Americans consider themselves Christian. A completely immoral country as this claiming to be like Jesus Christ, who is without sin. No, I can’t believe religion is the church, Christ said shall not, that’s a definite for me. Now, I have no doubt that there are some in religion that will come out to be part of the church, the church that Christ spoke of when He returns and gatheres all those that are scattered on the earth that belong to him. Next, you are calling upon religion to do the work of the church; how can religion deliver the good news when they can not even agree on what it is ? If we read in Gal.5:19-21 we can see those that separate and divide are workings of the flesh, they will not enter the kingdom. Religion is the great deception that Word speaks of that will happen in the last days, the last days that Peter said began in the upper room on the day of pentacost. Many times in the Word the fathers of the gospel said the false prophets and anti-Christs were already amongst them, that was in the first centuery, there has been plenty of time since then for the religions to establish their false doctrines. In 325AD the worlds religions were gathered under Constantine, when all kinds of pagen traditions were brought under the name of Christianity and times were changed to honor the new world religion. Seek the Truth and it will be found, stop everyone just accepting these anti-Christ religions, 2 Thes.2 tells us if we don’t love the Truth, God will give us a lie that we will believe, when God says will, there isn’t any maybes there. Change your minds, the times of the end are about to begin, only the Truth will save, you are not getting raptured, you must be proved first in the tribulations. If you say where is the church, read the Word, God said He would give them (church) up until she (church) that is in travail brings forth.(Mic.5:2-4) That will happen after two days,(Hos.6:1-3) two thousand years.(2 Pet.3:8) Why, because of her sins.(Hos.5) Then He will gather His small flock, which He has scattered throughout the world, those that hear His voice, that discern the Truth, and stick to it, to the end. The main thing for now is seek the Truth and start calling people out of those dead churches, saving them from the fire.
I’d like to think that sexual addicts of ALL form could find a better home within the church. After all, that’s what homosexuality is: an addiction. So I understand Mark’s comment that, he doesn’t feel he can change his orientation; he’s just focusing on abstinence. I think for any addict this is the best place to start. I know I’m struggling with sexual addiction issues myself and, it’s frustrating in the beginning. We are so very used to be this way for so very long it takes ACTIVE work just to keep the thoughts out of my head. Our GOD is sufficient for us, Praise His Holy Name. Personally, I find studying the Law and the Prophets from a SPIRITUAL perspective helps tremendously. Little by little the unwanted thoughts which feed the lust (and all sexual addiction is lust) are being replaced by the Law and an understanding of what it REALLY means. So yes, I think it’s very important that those in the Church willing to help sexual addicts stay focused on THAT point and let God deal with the person and their individual proclivities. Perhaps, more would hear from THEIR spirits too this way, if we move toward dealing with the NATURE of the sin ~ as Christ did ~ and not the LETTER of it. My heart felt blessings to you all.
Hi Valerie,
Why are you so focused on the lives of gays when the Bible says that God should be the only one judging them? Why not focus on trying to improve the world for those who are suffering? Isn’t that what Christ would want you to do? Also, do you really think that you’re going to be able to make a GLBT person (such as myself; I’m bisexual) change their sexual orientation just because you want them to? If so, then you’re dead wrong. I’ve already tried suppressing my natural sexual thoughts, I’ve tried to pray for them to go away, and yet they’re still with me. So why should I continue to try to make my sexual thoughts about women go away when that hasn’t worked for me at all?
I eagerly await your reply.
Yours in Christ,
Hannah
Sorry, I addressed that to the wrong person! *facepalm* I meant to address that to the webmaster of this site. I apologize for any confusion I may have caused.
Hannah thank you for your comments. I have been where you are but I will say it was based on my misunderstanding of God’s word, not on discrimination.
I see from your words that you too have a great deal of misunderstanding that you have not searched out completely.
I will list a few I see and then challenge you not to believe or accept what I say but to judge what I say based on scripture, not your emotions or the culture.
1. You have a misunderstanding of judgement
2. You have a misunderstanding of Christian responsibility towards other Christians who sin.
3. You have a misunderstanding me and the mission of this ministry
4. You have a misunderstanding about freedom from sin and biblical requirements on dealing with our flesh and desires.
5. You have a misunderstanding about prayer
6. You have a misunderstanding about what the bible says are natural sexual desires
7. You have a misunderstanding about the power of God
Im not listing these to penalize you for having a misunderstanding, but to personally challenge you as one Christian to another to search our common source docuement and prove our beliefs.
Proverbs 4:7 says Wisdom is the principal thing, therefore get wisdom and in all thy getting get understanding.
Now if you are up to that challenge, I will eagerly await your reply.
Speaking of Understanding, here are a few questions that I am wondering about…
What does GCM watch believe about Salvation?
GCMW: Salvation is a sovereign –and solo– act of God which redeems a person from the power and penalty of sin.
Is salvation based on what a person does or doesn’t do?
GCMW: It is a sovereign act of God in response to a believing prayer.
Is it possible for one to lose their salvation? and if so…how do they lose it?
GCMW: Anything is possible, but the scripture addresses both perspectives. We encourage all to remain steadfast and unmoveable always abounding in the work of the Lord.
Please define repent?
GCMW: Asking God to forgive you for sin or sins and turning away from them to follow Christ. It also incorporates a “change of mind” about one’s prior conduct.
Please define forgiveness?
GCMW: Releasing a person for an offense they’ve committed.
How does one keep their salvation?
GCMW: It is God who keeps us. Jude 24,25
How much perfection and bible reading is needed to make sure one goes to heaven?
GCMW: We are to strive for spiritual maturity in Christ, however we are commanded to “study to show ourselves approved unto God…”
The bible talks about knowing them by their fruit. What are the fruit the bible is referring to?
GCMW: A person’s words and actions which are publicly revealed.
Is the inspection of the fruit objective or subjective?
GCMW: Inspection is based on the biblical directives.
If we are acting as judges for the sinning believers and making sure the church is preserved, what is God’s role in all of this?
GCMW: We arent “acting”, we are per scripture. The Holy Spirit guides us in meting out correction, rebuke and restoration. We hold one another mutually accountable as representatives of Christ.
Is it possible for one to confess Christ, beleive, repent, live holy and be a Christian for 10 years. Then after 10 years of holiness, make a series of mistakes (the worst kind of mistake like lying, gossipping or having a prideful look) and not repenting of it for a 7 years. During this time of mistakes ,could one be still considered a Christian? Or do they become a Christain again once they stop lying, gossipping or being prideful?
GCMW: Anything is possible, but we are commanded to put away the deeds of the flesh in context to our level of spiritual maturity. Romans 8
Amy understanding you can provide would be very helpful.
Thanks!
THERE IS NO SIN (INCLUDING HOMOSEXUALITY) THAT THE BLOOD WON’T COVER. BUT ONLY THROUGH REPENTANCE AND FAITH.
I WAS IN THAT HORRIFIC LIFESTYLE FROM 1980-2002 AND IT WASN’T UNTIL I GOT THE REVELATION OF THE CROSS AND START PUTTING MY FAITH IN THE FINISH WORK OF CHRIST THAT I COULD BE FREE. JESUS DIED AND GOT UP IN ORDER THAT WE MAY NO LONGER BE SLAVES TO SIN OF ANY SORT.
THE CROSS IS OUR REDEMPTION CARD FOR EVERY SITUATION.
THANKS GCM FOR HANDLING KINGDOM BUSINESS WITH LOVE, TRUTH AND ACCURACY!!!
I am a doctor and a man of God. One question that I do have is inspired by what I’ve seen as a practitioner: What of trans-sexuals? You do not openly support homosexuality as defined in the modern genetic sense, but what of individuals who are born with ambiguous genitalia, hormonal imbalances, and external (plainly visible) features that suggest that they could be either male or female? Is their sexual orientation (even when there might not be any objective way to define them as male or female) wrong/right based on how they may LOOK?? What of a person born with BOTH male and female features? Thank you for taking my questions, and for the record, I do support this movement.
Dr. P
GCMW: Dr. P, this is a very good question(s) I might have hit and missed a couple of times before. But I’d like to take your question and make a full post of it. Coming tomorrow. Thanks.
I truly look forward to that post and the ensuing conversation. This is an issue that is ignored by most discussions and teaching around sexuality in the church. I moan inmy soul when I hear saints say “GOD don’t make no mistakes” when it comes to issues associated with birth defects, etc.
Let me say I am really grateful for this site. It is a apologetic for Truth and a conduit for advocacy for doctrinal purity. It is my prayer that this site may influence the exposition of the Gospel and comprehensive approaches to people who are sexully broken; it is sooooooo needed in the church today. Thank you and may GOD’s rich blessings (varied and mulltiplied!) accompany your labor in Him.
I am fairly new to this websight. Where would I find this post? Thanks, again, for all you have done here. My His light shine through you all-the-more.
Dr. P. I am working on it. I hope to have it up today. Thanks so much. Also I will need you to help me with correct terminology since I am not a doctor.
Regarding your first doctrine:
1. We believe the Bible to be the final and only authority in matters concerning sexuality and the wholeness of mankind. We believe the scriptures are self-validating. “All scripture is given by inspiration of God”(II Timothy 3:16), consequently we hold that the totality of Biblical canon reject contemporary theories and philosophies of genetic homosexuality.
Implicit in this first doctrine is the assumption that “the totality of Biblical canon” comes to us via God, rather than through humanity – yet even the Bible itself does not make this claim. Even if we take literally Paul’s second letter to Timothy, none of the Gospels were yet written at this time. Should we suppose that Paul was somehow referring to scripture that did not yet exist?
Additionally, the Bible does not claim to have been compiled and canonized by God. So where does this assumption of yours come from?
Finally, the Bible also does not provide a standard by which we may discern which of its laws should be applied literally (i.e. Lev. 18:22) and which should be avoided (i.e. Num 5:11-31). What is the standard by which you are able to determine which biblical laws are meant to be applied literally and which are permissible to leave behind?
Peace,
Tom R
Implicit in this first doctrine is the assumption that “the totality of Biblical canon” comes to us via God, rather than through humanity – yet even the Bible itself does not make this claim.
Tom, God has always worked with, through and in humanity despite the obvious flaws of humanity. This is clear from Genesis to Revelation up to contemporary times. God speaks through people, revealed himself through people and chose to send his SON through people. And its no question then that his word, comes through people. Jesus affirmed that the Word is both “spirit and life”. John 6:63 In addition Jesus is said by John to be the “living word” come from God. Certainly, the fusion of human and divine is evident throughout scripture and it is undeniable that it is God whose hand orchestrated its birth and development and final compilation. We have to give God credit for being able to produce the final product despite the frailties of mankind.
Both Paul and Peter, two major leaders of the church verify with personal testimony that the scriptures (all of them are God-inspired). In other words, the <b<origin of the scriptures in not human, but divine.
That being said, everything in the Bible is true, but not everything in the Bible is truth.
Finally, the Bible also does not provide a standard by which we may discern which of its laws should be applied literally (i.e. Lev. 18:22) and which should be avoided (i.e. Num 5:11-31). What is the standard by which you are able to determine which biblical laws are meant to be applied literally and which are permissible to leave behind?
I use the same standard all of Christendom is supposed to follow: sound hermenuetics with applicable revelation from the Holy Spirit. Sexual restrictions and prohibitions are applicable to all people irregardless of the chronological time. If Im not mistaken, even atheists believe adultery is wrong. Ceremonial laws were applicable to Jews only and never applied to the church. Even though are unapplicable, there are still “big picture” lessons that can be gleaned from them.
Hi, I don’t know if I agree with everything, but I am liking this site. I was saved when I was 13. When I was 5 and learning to swim I discovered that I liked boys. I didn’t really pick that, I just sort of noticed that I had different types of feelings than when I was around girls. It stayed that way.
I don’t know what the definition of homosexual is, if it is defined by your actions or by your state of being. I will say that I am still struggling with this. I grew up with a wonderful church and the preacher always said, when in doubt, don’t. So I’m in doubt. I can’t say I picked this, but I can’t say that just because it’s there I’m going to act on it. My straight brother has never gotten married, he does not feel led or have the desire to be in a relationship either.
I am still struggling. I wish God would take this away from me. When I look in the Bible I came to the place where God told Paul “My Grace is sufficient for you.” And that is what I place my hopes on. I try my best to remain celibate, and I generally have done OK with it. I would say I don’t live the “gay lifestlyle” I don’t really live any lifestyle, I am disabled and too sick to do anything other than pray to God and try to eat and do laundry. In a way I am thankful for this, it keeps my mind off other things.
But when I am in the grocery store, why is it that every now and then, I see someone and it makes my heart skip a beat. And that someone has always been a man. It rarely happens, one in a thousand times. It isn’t really a sexual thing. If I believed in “love at first sight” (which I think is just hormones most of the time) then I would say this is what it is. It’s not sexual, and it happens before I catch myself and look away. I even get in the habit of not making eye contact which gets me a reputation of being impolite. I have never been the most open and warm person anyways.
But when my guard is down, these things still happen.
I fight them, and I turn them over to the Lord. I know I could never be perfect in this life. I know that there is a difference between being perfect, and being “perfected” by Christ as we trudge through this warzone on our way to eternal rest and peace. I look forward to the day when I don’t have to struggle with this.
I don’t know how to say it other than, I believe in Christ as my Savior. I “gave up” trying to be perfect. I can’t do it. All I can do is to trust in Christ and also, to try my best to please Him. Not to “be perfect” but to please Him. My intentions in this are to follow Christ. I fail miserably in almost every area, I fall flat on my face. However I would rather try and fail than to never bother. When I am to give my account, it will be that I failed completely in every area of my life, but I did try. Sometimes I didn’t, I got so despondent that I gave up. And that is when He picked me up and carried me across the battlefield.
My visual image of what I am trying to do is to not lose sight of Him as He leads me through this warzone. And when I fall or am hit by enemy fire, to cry out to Him and trust that He will know exactly where I am, and come and rescue me. If there is one thing I have learned, it is that Christ is absolutely trustworthy. I admit the sin of being angry with God a lot. But I know that my anger is the result of my weakness and my sin, and that God is so good and trustworthy — sometimes I find myself asking for forgiveness before I even plead my angry case. I say God, I’m angry with you and I know this is wrong, please stop me now. And He does, and I am led by the Spirit to the place I need to repent.
I have repented so many times of my homosexuality. I have stopped the “actions” and the “lifestyle”. I have other homosexual friends and I do not feel any sexual feelings towards them. I feel Christ’s love towards them.
I could get married to a woman, have children, and go through all the motions, but it would be a fraud. So it is best for me to just not marry, and to not have sex with anyone. It would be great to be in love with somebody and them be in love with me, in a Christ centered relationship. But I am growing convinced that is not what Christ has in store for me.
In a way, I feel set apart from any sort of romantic or sexual relationship regardless of it being heterosexual or homosexual.
I will close by saying, sometimes I don’t consider myself homosexual, but I’m not a heterosexual either. My brother feels he is asexual. It would be great not to struggle with sex. But I will say, I pine my hopes on Christ, and I hope that His Grace extends to me. I have tried and failed. I hope that is what His Grace will cover.
Gery, you need to get rid of the guilt complexes and be discipled. You have way too many self-inflicted dificiencies that caused by spiritual immaturity.
You seem to be settling for a so-so Christian life with your head barely above water. That doesnt jive with the life Christ said that we could live in him.
You have to clear your mind of all this half-baked, gay leaning ideology and fully embrace the gospel. You can, but you need to start with throwing away all the excuses.
Gery,
As Pastor Foster said you need to grow up and move from a babe in Christ and become a man. And yes Grace is sufficient. Your fleshly desires are no different than anyone else’s in terms of the generic sense. Your “specific” sin desire may be different but in general you are no different than I or anyone else. I am a young man and when I went through college I backslid. Did I weep and wail and say, “Oh God! I’m just so weak”. Well maybe sometimes. However, the fact of the matter is that it wasn’t my weakness in “relation” to the flesh, it was my weakness in my “relationship” to God. Needless to say I grew up and walked away from my sin desires. Does this mean my flesh doesn’t still rise up? Of course not! I have to die daily like everyone else.
Gery, there came a point in my life where I said, “the heck with it” regarding sin. I just said to myself I really don’t care what you (Flesh) wants. I’m really not interested in what the flesh wants even when it raises up. For example, I’m not married therefore I do not fornicate. Plain and simple. When I see an attractive girl walking by I merely look away and don’t let thoughts come into my mind.
Gery, what your going to find out is that desires of the flesh are more akin to idols. Once the Lord opened my eyes to what place sin had in my life I soon recognized that they were more idolatrous in nature than weakness of the flesh.
You have to throw away the notion that it is somehow a ball and chain which you drag when in reality it is an idol which you hold. Once you understand what I just said it will open your eyes.
Kyle
this is some really good stuff. (smile)
God is certainly smiling on all of you folks who is really studying his word and learning to trust in him;by faith.
i am glad i came across this site.
may
God Bless yu All
GCM, may God bless you to stay strong in the Lord, and continue to stand firm in the Word – in spite of inward and outward pressures. Somebody’s got to stand! You have exceptional spiritual insight into the issue of homosexuality, deliverance, and Biblical hope. I am not a homosexual, but the insights you give from the Word of God will help me help others who are struggling in this area, but really want to be free. May God bless and keep you and your family.
I am part of the rainbow nation, though not sure what colour I am. I feel that i would interest you to know that I am celibate for the last 2 years for personal reason.
Let me just say that I dont agree with you in many respect. First, I believe that I was created by the grace of God. To deny my very nature is to deny God himself.
I believe that by faith we received God’s grace. The fruit of faith is love. And the fruit of love is patience, kindness, humbleness, hope. Also, it does not descriminate. And the fruit of these all is good works.
What kind of good work it is when you are preaching hatred. You are preaching not the love of Jesus Christ but your self-righteous declaration of your self. You are the complete description of 1 Cor 13: 1-2, and I quote “(1) Though I speak with tougues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am become as sounding brass or a thinking cymbal; (2) And though I have all knowledge and have all faith so that I could remove mountains and have no love, I am nothing”.
Ask yourself, would Christ like you to condemn your brothers and sisters and preach to them that Jesus does not love them just because they are different.
Be not quick to judge for someday you will be judged. In the last days Jesus will judge us. You might say, my Lord, my Lord I have preached the Gospel but He would say: go away for I know you not.
Kenjie, please read this from Psalm 51:5, ‘Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.’
You, me, and all of mankind are sinners at birth, we inherited our sin nature from Adam. That sin nature includes all kinds of wickedness that flows from within our very own hearts. Read what Jesus Christ taught in Matthew 15:19, “For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies”. Notice the Greek word for ‘fornication’-porneia-meaning ‘adultery, fornication, homosexuality, lesbianism, intercourse with animals etc.’ {blueletterbible.org}.
Jesus Christ makes it very clear, homosexuality is birthed from within our own hearts, our own lustful desires. Let’s look at Romans 1:27, ‘ And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.’ I want to point out the word ‘lust’ here; again we go back into the Greek -orexis -meaning ‘desire, longing, craving for’. Homosexuals lust after, crave, and desire to have sex with same sex partners. This desire, lust, is what drives heterosexuals to lust after, crave, and desire to have sex with opposite sex partners. Any forbidden lustful desire is born from within. Hear the word of the Lord, “The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?” Jeremiah 17:9
The phrase ‘desperately wicked’ means ‘to be incurable, to be sick’. We are all incurably sick with the disease of sin, we are without hope apart from the grace of God. The only hope we have is found in the cross of Jesus Christ.
Your nature is a sin nature, every human being has the same sin nature. There is freedom from the bondage of homosexuality through the power of God found in Jesus Christ. Being celibate is not enough, Jesus Christ commands all to repent of sin {Matt. 4:17}. Turn from sin and cry out to God, as the tax collector did, ‘O God, have mercy on me, a sinner!’. If we blame our sexual sins on anything or anyone other than ’self’, we are deceiving ourselves.
Jesus Christ also teaches us from scripture that no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born again, or born from above.{John 3:3}. This new birth is not something we can manifest in ourselves, this comes from the Almighty One. This is from Ezekiel 36:26-27,” A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do [them].
The first thing is to cry out for understanding, asking God to reveal to us just how wicked we truly are. God must humble us, break through our proud arrogant hearts, breaking us over our sins. This leads to repentance, and the new birth. None of this is attainable by us, only Almighty God can save us. Pray for Him to draw you to His Son…these are the words of Jesus Christ from John 6:65- “Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.”
As a former homosexual saved solely by the grace and mercy of Almighty God, cleansed by the blood of Jesus Christ, His righteousness imputed to me, I am living proof of the power of God in a transformed life. I am a new creation in Christ, the old is gone. Read this from 2 Cor. 5:16, ‘ Therefore, if anyone [is] in Christ, [he is] a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new.’ This is a regenerated heart, a life changed from the inside out, one that has been born again. May the Lord be greatly praised!
Kenjie, the bible says that we are a “holy nation”. There is no references to us being a “rainbow nation”. Did you create that out of thin air?
And please carefully read what lyn has written to you. Instead of letting the scripture speak for itself you are filtering it through your own sexual confusion and sin.
The picture you get is distorted. If you really are a true disciple of Christ, you will hear HIM and then change your ways so that you are in agreement with his word.
May God bless u for this website. I pray that God will deliver all the sexually perverse people(homosexual lesbians, etc) that visit this site. Hope this will help transform lives. I, myself am a lady who battled sexual perversion, I used to lust after women.I was abused by an aunt growing up and I grew up thinking in that retarded way. I thank God for delivering me. Someone in that type of lifestyle, is lost and needs to be delivered. It is only the power and grace of God that can change such a soul. Once u encounter Christ, then you must feed yourself the word of God and live a Godly life, denouncing all evil. Remember that if you resist the Devil, he will flee from you. I know that it can be hard, but it is a process, u have to constantly remind your self who your Lord and Creator is, and by his grace and salvation you will be set free. Today I am married and blessed with a family of my own and still walking in God’s grace to fulfill his purpose for my life.
May God ’s love rest upon us all,
Truth
I was very encouraged at finding this site. I pray that God will bless this ministry. I really like it how the first doctrinal statement gives the Bible, God’s Word, as the basis for your work. Without God’s Word as the unquestionable basis for any ministry, there can be no fruit. All eight of the points are very good, very grounded in the Word. I like it how you state vey plainly that this site is not attacking people, but attacking what the Bible condemns. Again, I hope that God will bless this ministry you have here, and I will keep you guys in my prayers.
To Rose and Truth…
Thank for very much for recognizing that we are here first and foremost to uphold God’s word. Sometimes people and their ideas are in conflict with God’s word but no matter who they are we must stand with God’s truth. I know some do not like that and call it judgmental, etc Truly the flower fades and the grass withers away but the Word of the Lord endures.
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Watch out for false prophets for they come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves Mt 7:15
But there are also false prophets among the people, even as there are false teachers among you who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who brought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. 2 Pet 2:1
Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. 1 Jn 4:1
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