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Sexual malfeasance and church leadership

I promised Sis greeky, that we would talk about this because it really is one of the huge reasons individuals leave churches in disgust. 

Here’s what she wrote:

Let’s say that a married Bishop was accused of impregnating a girl (perhaps underaged). When brought before the Board, he confessed to part of the accusation, and agreed to pay money to make it go away. How should that Bishop be handled? Should he have also been demoted? What if many (hundreds!) people know that “something” went down concerning him, how should the Board handle that? Should there be a statement to the larger body concerning the accusation and the result of the investigation (i.e., guilty or not guilty)? What should his local church do, in light of the fact that they only heard rumors (wide-spread), and noticed a change in his actions (financially and otherwise) during that time? What if that leader has since been promoted by the same Board that heard the original accusation to a very “high” position – does that change the course of action required? How should a Board discipline one of their “own”? This is not an attempt to spread gossip, but people in the COGIC pews across this country are hurting and need to know what the Bible says concerning these things. It may seem simple to you, but not so simple for people who have been taught over the years to “never” take a leader to task” – especially when you didn’t see him actually do what he’s accused of. It still hurts bad, and it’s hard to pretend that all is still well when the whole church is hurting over what they heard, and still getting nothing but silence from the leaders. Please provide some scriptual wisdom.

In advance, I ask your patience because of so many variables this might be somewhat lengthy. And too, this may involve more biblical principle rather that hard biblical evidence so keep that in mind. I think the scriptures allow for us to glean universal wisdom from the Word and then apply it in love to specific situations.

I have always advocated (and at times demanded) responsible transparency in ministry. There definitely should be a balanced approach to dealing with leaders who are subjects of sexual immorality for years if they are truly men of integrity being falsely accused.  Lets all agree that the scriptures which outline how to handle accusations against elders are indeed applicable and right.

Two scriptures we should consider here.

If a brother be overtaken in a fault, ye who are spiritual restore him in the spirit of meekness considering yourselves lest ye also be tempted (Gal 6:1).

Receive not an accusation against an elder, unless it is supported by two or three witnesses. Those who continue in sin, rebuke in the presence of all, so that the rest also will be fearful of sinning. (1 Tim 5:19, 20)

Just brief notes on these two passages. The first is about the spirit,  not so much the letter of the law. Its characterized by self-reflective compassion. How that is applied seems to segue in the second passage.  1 Tim 5 acknowledges that elders may indeed bs “accused”, but it cannot be justified only by a “he say-she say”  scenario. Or in these days we need to include “he-say-he say”. Further, if the accusations prove true, the church is to use open rebuke to suppress the progression of sin within the Body. In this case, you are authorized to preach fear, hell and damnation! :)

Restoration (of a leader who has sinned) ideally should include: disclosure, discipline and retraining. Restoration does not automatically mean a person should be put back in the position they once held in church. Restoration is primary a concern for the soul and not some manmade position. For what will a man give in exchange for his soul? Maintaining image for the purpose of  “damage control” is potentially detrimental to the person caught in the sin.

Disclosure means fully repenting in context to the circumstances of the sin. If sin was done openly, repentance should be open. If this was an issue where the sin was private (meaning only the individual was involved) then repentance should be to an appropriate source in confidence. Sometimes the Adam and Eve syndrome takes over and people start blaming other folks for their sins. If so, a spiritually mature person should evoke James 1:14-15 and apply it in order to obtain metanoia or true repentance.

Discipline means there should be some restrictive measures levied against the individual commensurate to the depth and impact of the sin. For instance, if a person got into an arguement in the open and cussed, the discipline required would not be the same if he or she were to molest a child. All sin is the same, but the effects of sins are different. Thus, dealing with it requires mature discernment and applicable biblical wisdom. Discipline is not about humiliating someone, but its intent is to humble them so restoration can take its proper course. Discipline is part of discipleship and is not only to be self administered, but should be accepted when administered by God or whomever he sanctions to carry it out in love.

Retraining means that there should be  practical exercises required for the individual to complete before any level of restoration is declared. For instance, one might be required to pay back 100% of monies misused from a church funds. This isnt punitive but to (1) test the integrity and sincerity of the person,  (2) to demonstrate real, observable restitution for the record and (3) to engage the person in an activity to teach them so that they learn from their error.

For the record, I do not believe in the practice of “sitting someone down” as a legitimate biblical response to sin in leadership. It has too many loopholes.  Unless it is incorporated with the above it is useless.

But lets deal with the ones who aren’t innocent, havent been overtaken in fault.  Let’s talk about the ones who are committing serial sins with no repentance and even resist efforts to rectify wrong situations. When a person has power, money and popularity, it severely complicates a biblical resolution.  Remember Earl Paulk?  Because of his status and position, not to mention cunning deception, he was able to carry on abominations for over 30 years. And because people were told “keep your mouth off the mand of gawd” it afforded Paulk the perfect cover to continue sexually molesting both children and adult women under his authority.

If it is a crime (sex with a minor) involved, the church should not conceal the matter. If it is a moral failure (adultery) the church should exercise its discretion again depending on the circumstances of the sin. For instance if the husband, girlfriend and wife had a fight in church in front of the members, why label it a “private matter”?  Already it has damaged those who have witnessed it. 

Let’s also consider that a bishop (positionally different than a pastor) according to 1 Tim 3:2,  must be “blameless”.  The “blameless” part takes effect after he accepts the office. People oftimes claim well they are human too meaning we have to allow for them to err. Well yes and no. The word blameless is taken from the greek anepileptos  which means:  not arrested, i.e. (by implication) inculpable — blameless, unrebukeable. Also note use of the word “must” which signifies there exists no parallel option to the requirement. In other words, the bishop must live above reproach. If they err, they are no longer qualified to hold the office and should be removed.

I believe that in keeping with integrity, any investigations of widely known acts of malfeasance should be available to members. It pains me for church folk to always accuse people of gossip when leaders reject properly informing people. Generally, there is suppression of the evidence and failure of “the board” to righteously deal with it. I still contend that the case of Bishop JD Husband is a textbook case example of this. I think the issues of information suppression and secrecy is not because of a concern that people would be harmed but because it could possibly affect the flow of money. Sad to say the contemporary church is in bed with money. Consequently, God’s word is relegated to a secondary reference tool.

If you feel like adding something to this, feel free. Its a tough, but much needed discussion in the church.

Marriage issues

Due to the nature of the comments, I’ve decided to redesignate the posts so as not to confuse others who are wondering why the comments don’t match the post.

This is a discusssion on the merits, origins and contemporary understanding of biblical marriage and its applications for contemporary Christians.

What’s your take?

Brandon really needs your help!

Well, we need to take out some time and help someone who is sinking in a quicksand of progay christian ideology. His name is Brandon.  He did not like what  GCM Watch said about Tonex. The comment  however  was chocked so full of inconsistencies, half truths, lies, and distortions of scripture that my heart went out to Brandon. Especially because he says he is a musician who ”studies religious theology”. I’m not sure if that means he studies the Bible, but nonetheless I am appealing to our mature, seasoned saints to help Brandon understand the error of his thinking. Perhaps then, he will have a metanoia experience and serve the Lord in with a pure heart. You may address any portion of his comment you feel “led” to deal with. Thanks!
 

I have sat here and read many of the comments and the article. I am going to reply to this as a person who studies religious theology. As a person of color, A christian and a LGBT identified Christian and a musician. To start with I find it amazing how we consider ourselves as followers of Christ. Now being a person who studies theology never once do you hear Jesus talk about or condemn homosexuality. Yet we call ourselves followers of Christ. That’s the first problem Now I have read and seen you all have taken bible scriptures and have thrown it in our faces and expect that to be the end of it. You pick and choose what it is you want to read and say. I have yet to see any of you people who have taken these clobber scriptures and use all of the context. When you have taken all the context then your at the next level for discussion. Next speaking as a person of color, I find it interesting that you have not remembered that we have struggled against a long period of prejudice and hatred. Do you really think as people who have struggled to get rights, to be treated equal and with respect. Do you honestly find yourself any different than the people who hate people of color. So to condemn homosexual people I just find that very odd. As a christian you focus mostly on the judgement of God. Now to back up and correct the one person earlier who spoke of Bishop Carlton Pearson and Dr. Yuvette[sic] Flunder they teach exactly what Jesus taught. We should not worry about the judgment of God but the Grace and Mercy of God, as well as Gods love he has for every person everything every being. If most of you could understand that it is not about us. It is not about who loves who and who is doing. It is all about worshiping and serving God. When we as a people can get off the the petty things and realize it is about Gods love. We will not have to care about what someone else is doing because we will be more focused on Gods love and loving each other. Doing that will cover all of the thing. REMEMBER Jesus taught us love. I have yet to see you scripture clobbers talk about the love of God. Lastly I will talk now as a musician. I have seen you all talk about not to promote Tonex because of his life style. Well is this the case many of your churches will not have good music. Most of church musicians are gay. Most of you people in the church especially the pastor knows it. You won’t see that pastor get rid that musician unless they cause a scene. The pastor knows about the lifestyle but is not willing to loose his members because of bad music. Most of these pastors will pimp these people for their benefit and use their gifts. So next time you think about not promoting a musician because of their lifestyle. You remember that most churches run the music department by gay men who write that music and teaches the music that gets people in your church. Remember that!!! Now what we need to praying for is not for god to change somebody. We need to pray first that we as Identified Christians grow stronger in God. That is what we NEED to be doing, there would be much less DRAMA if we could do that. Next as we grow in God we need to get a reality check of what it is Jesus was teaching us on how to live. If you all don’t know Jesus has never turned away from anyone, nowhere in the bible will you see that. Some how you bible clobbers have missed that fact. I say this as a closers, don’t let ignorance (which means lack of knowledge) prevent you who identify as Christians from the important thing which is Gods love for us, and by Gods grace (which means we get what we don’t deserve) and Gods Mercy( which means we didn’t get what we do deserve) Don’t let this prevent you from the real reason as to why we serve the God we serve and have the Faith we have as Christians. Peace with you will, Blessings Brandon

Is GCM Watch "hypocritical, judgmental and close-minded"?

I get a number of comments accusing this site of what the following reader claims to exist. Although they are reviewed on a per case basis, often these comments aren’t posted because they are typically hypocritical, judgmental and close-minded.
Notice anything?

One of the major contentions by gay christians and their supporters is that Christians who believe homosexuality to be a sin refuse to “dialogue” and have an open mind. What exactly, I ask, should I be open-minded about? And how is “open-minded” defined?

Representative of most of those comments —with a variation— is the following from “Kamron”. I am posting it with slight editing to keep things “to the point.”

“great patience and instruction…thats something many of the blogs seem to lack..including mine. If people feel like they’re going to be persecuted they won’t want to add, at least not in a productive way, to your discussion and it will remain a site that condemns the sinner and lays out all the seedy details without offering much hope to those who are in sin. i’m not saying to justify homosexuality or to sugarcoat the reality that it is an abomination against God. I’m saying to be wise as serpants yet gentle as doves because this kind of topic tends to get heated when discussed rationally and those of us who are looking for help and prayer and support will only be intimidated by what may be sound christian rebuke but instead comes off as hypocritical self-righteousness (which seems to be the case in many of the postings i’ve read). So all this passive-aggressive rhetoric may be satisfying momentarily..you’ve made your point and managed to use scripture in the process..but are you really winning? The type of behavior exhibited in many of the interactive posts only takes away from your cause by portraying christians as hypocritical, judgemental, and close minded. If anyone disagrees with a statement, even a wrong statement, don’t take the quick and satisfying pun or self-righteous rebuke backed with scripture. Instead really examine the statement, post your opinion offer scriptures as the truth that sets us free not the word that condemns us. people are more likely to consider what your saying, follow up with more questions, and find the help they’ve been looking for if they don’t feel as if they are being judged and loathed. Be careful with your words they are powerful weopons. The fight is not with your peers its with satan. Use your words to condemn him and the lies he’s used to fool many not our brothers and sisters in Christ who have strayed..the fight is not with us lost sheep. Its with the wolf who seeks to destroy.”

Another question arises (which Kamron is free to answer) is: did you come to this site for help or to criticize what was written? If you are/were looking for help, what other sites have you visited (in your search for help) or are you being disengenous about seeking help? Have you sought the Lord with your whole heart, before seeking online help? Since that is one of the points you made against GCM Watch, please clarify.

I disagree with Kamron and anyone else who asserts that GCM Watch “condemns the sinner”. This is not a site about sinners, but a site about those who claim relationship with Christ, but refuse to acknowledge biblical restictions on sexual conduct, namely homosexuality. Further, there is no condemnation (a finality of judgment with no hope of redemption) but rather conviction (highlighting error so that the individual will repent and live). According to scripture, there is a vast difference in the two and our response to them. As such, 1 Cor 5: 9-13 needs to be stated again:

I have written you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat.
What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked man from among you.” (markup ours)

In addition, the point about snarkiness, unjustified pun and sarcasm paired with scripture is not lost. We do need to clean up the presentation of our language in response to those who oppose our message and by extension the message of Christ. I pledge to do better and will also ask regular posters not to readily engage in such online behavior.

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