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You’ve probably heard the shrimp retort a 1000 times from gay christians and their liberal religious supporters. Its their gotcha answer to the so called “clobber passages” (bible scriptures they hate and wish didn’t exist). The major contention argument is that Christians are “cherry-picking” which scriptures to apply to their condemnation of homosexuality while ignoring others; therefore their prejudice is exposed and not a concern for what the Bible actually says. So obsessed are gays with shrimpology, they even have a whole website dedicated to it. Joe Decker and Ryland Sanders (now deceased) take ownership for the site. Decker and Sanders try to laugh it off by saying its a “parody” site, but they are dead serious.
“The point we’re trying to make is that by using the Old Testament (specifically the book of Leviticus) as a basis for protesting gay marriage, you run into a couple of problems. The first is that in the New Testament, Jesus established the New Covenant, which stated that the old Mosaic laws about unclean things were invalid (Jesus in his own person said nothing specifically against homosexuality, although Paul later attributed some remarks to him). The second reason is that if you still want to quote from Leviticus, despite Jesus’ doing away with Mosaic law, then you better be prepared to enforce the whole thing, not just the parts you like. This includes not only the injunction against shellfish and mussels and such, but also against wearing fabrics made of blended fibers, cutting or shaving your beard, sowing mixed seed in a field, and a slew of other things nobody but Orthodox Jews take seriously anymore.”
Point taken. Decker and Sanders aren’t the only ones stuck in a shrimp time-warp. Shrimpology is a major rebuttal tenet of the gay activist orthodoxy. They believe in it just as strongly as they do Stonewall. See here, here and here just to name a few.
We get it that most gays think Christians who oppose homosexuality on biblical grounds are hypocrites. Its a given, especially when one’s pet sin is being challenged. And homosexuality is THE pet sin of the gay movement so its understandable they would take umbrage at any challenge that what they do sexually is an abomination to God.
But there been some updates that the shrimpologists may not be aware of. Both of the menu updates are from Jesus.
And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him; Because it entereth not into his heart, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats?And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man. For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: All these evil things come from within, and defile the man. Mark 7:18-23
On the morrow, as they went on their journey, and drew nigh unto the city, Peter went up upon the housetop to pray about the sixth hour: And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance,11 And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending upon him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth: Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.
And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.
But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.
And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.
This was done thrice: and the vessel was received up again into heaven. Acts 10: 9-16
Here’s the main points of the update, summarized:
1. Jesus issued the update over 2,000 years ago. He said its not what type of food a man eats that defiles him, its the wickedness in his heart.
2. In Acts, Christ tells Peter, his main Apostle to the Jews, via a vision that God when God declares something clean, it is clean. The analogy of the food was a very powerful one for Peter an Apostle to the Jews who couldnt eat banned foods.
3. Twice, we have clear evidence from Jesus himself (not a third party) that food is not the issue and what food was unclean is now cleared for consumption.
4. There is no evidence, no words, nothing implied, anywhere in the New Testament absolving homosexuality as clean or acceptable to any person. It is still unclean, abominable and unacceptable to God in every context. No law or decree about homosexuality was rescinded by Christ except that instead of deserved death, now the homosexual was welcome to come to God and find freedom from his sins.
Having said that, please stop denying yourself the deliciousness of some cajun fried shrimp or some incredible shrimp scampi because you didn’t get the update memo.
God doesn’t hate shrimp, He hates sin.
Opponents of the Apostle Paul’s writings particularly on moral/sexual issues always seem to paint him as someone who thought/wrote in a religious bubble. They claim that he had no knowledge of concepts beyond his limited life experiences. In some way, this is supposed to neutralize and diminish the volume of his Spirit-inspired work.
Gay christians in particular, are frequent critics of his body of writing on sex, sexuality, homosexuality and sexual expression in the context of the holiness mandate. Others like Episcopal bishop John Spong have even levied baseless accusations against Paul claiming that his writings are a reflection of his own internalized homosexual angst. Nothing could be further from the truth.
In defense of Paul the man –my Apostle– his educational achievements would be the equivalent of holding 3 PHDs from Oxford and Yale. He studied under the famed Jewish scholar Gamaliel. Gamaliel was president of the Sanhedrin Council during the time of Jesus and one of the most revered rabbis of his day.
Dr. Nelson Price writes: “Gamaliel knew Jewish law and prophecy both of which were enhanced by his wisdom. His teaching was so broad he insisted that his pupils study the Greek poets. That was most unusual for that period. Saul of Tarsus was one of his students. Gamaliel is the reason that years later when Paul, using his Latin name, went to Athens he could quote the line from one of Greece’s most renowned Third Century BC poets, Aratus of Soli: “In him we live and move and have our being.” Paul applied to line as referring to Jesus.”
The superior equipping tutelage Paul received from Gamaliel continued on but in another way after his Damascus Road conversion. Paul was given an unprecedented level of wisdom and knowledge by Christ to carry out his assignment as the chief apostle to the Gentiles. Not only was he a skilled orator, he was a widely traveled man who lived and worked in all parts of the known world at that time. His experiences brought him before world rulers like Ceasar and even the intellectually superior Athenians whose philosophical wisdom survives to this day. His administrative and organizational prowess were without parallel which accounted for the many churches he established.
Paul recounted in 2 Cor 12 how he was caught up into the “3rd heaven” and received a divine download of unmentionable revelation. So powerful was this revelation that God assigned a messenger of satan to constantly trouble him lest he be exalted above measure because of what he knew. In characteristic humility, he spoke of this in the third person. No other apostle, even those who physically walked with Jesus possessed such depth and expanse of revelation, save John.
Paul was no one’s dummy. The caliber of his apostolic writings known as “epistles” rivaled anything written by the most noted scholars of his day. Yet he wrote with such clarity, even the uneducated could grasp its truth. Out of his mind flowed such brilliance that his words are as fresh and striking today as they were when first read by first century believers. He worked and ministered among the diverse populations and cultures of the world seeing what we all know: there is nothing new under the sun. Thus his writings on homosexuality and sexual morality display the weight of his education, experience and divine revelation which encompasses what was, what is and what is to come.
This is the Lord’s apostle to us the Gentiles, who were according to grace, grafted into the family of God.
Author and Producer David Kyle Foster via Charisma Magazine speaking plainly about two offshoot homosexual issues: The term “gay marriage” is an oxymoron. It is an invention of broken man in defiance against the expressed desire and design of God for mankind. It is the fallen creature trying to tell the omniscient Creator how things should be. Even the misnamed “gay Christian”—those who practice homosexuality without repentance and therefore are not Christian—are examples of man praising God with his lips while his heart is far from Him (Matt. 15:7-9)—calling Him Lord, Lord, while refusing to do what He says (Matt. 7:21-23; Luke 6:46). To invent a form of marriage that defies the natural and spiritual order is insanity and can only lead to the destruction of those involved, and according to Scripture, even the society that allows it to happen (Gen. 19:1-29; Jude 5-7; Rom. 1:32).”
Hear it for yourself, a powerful examination of the so-called gay christian lie by Pastor Thomas Beavers of Birmingham, AL. Don’t miss the analogy about his two year old son.
That’s the question Dr. Michael Brown is asking in his latest commentary on BarbedWire. The MIA phenom among religious gay activists is something GCMW has noticed as well.
If you believe you are on the side of truth, you need not be insecure.
Then why are “gay Christian” activists and theologians so unwilling to debate the issues publicly? Why do they consistently refuse public dialogue, especially when those who want to dialogue with them are committed to doing so with civility and grace?
Bear in mind that they are writing books, preaching messages, using social media, and holding conferences, all with the goal of actively challenging the views of conservative followers of Jesus, seeking to overturn the Word and 2,000 years of consistent Church tradition. Yet at the same time, when openly invited to debate their controversial new viewpoints, they grow silent. Why?”
We’ve seen them pop up and down almost like jack in the boxes as if they are afraid their shallow logic and superficial religious platitudes cannot stand the white hot scrutiny of the truth. In fact, one of the tainted fathers of the gay christian movement, pointedly told them “don’t discuss the bible”. Mel White told attendees at a Soulforce conference to opt out of discussions about the bible with “Conservative Christians”. Writes Karen Keen:
“After debriefing the “chalk-talk” experience, we are sent off to our first workshop. I decide to attend, “What the Bible Says and Doesn’t Say About Homosexuality” presented by Rev. Nancy Wilson and Rev. Dr. Mel White. Mel White is a passionate and articulate man who makes it clear from the beginning of the workshop that he has absolutely no desire whatsoever to discuss the biblical passages on homosexuality. Over the years he has suffered a barrage of debates on the issue and he is thoroughly burnt out. He refuses to engage in the discussion any longer. Instead, he passes out a booklet he has written on the subject and tells us to read it. Then, he encourages us to refrain from discussing the Bible with conservative Christians because fundamentalists have no interest in sincere dialogue. Mel also encourages us not to engage in the debate for another reason. By having the conversation, we expose ourselves over and over again to the “lie” that homosexuality is wrong, and when heard repeatedly, “deep down inside you will wonder if they are right.”
We’ve pointed out numerous times how the cookie cutter style comments of gay christians are devoid of scripture. While we believe that extra-biblical resources are welcome compliments to scriptural enlightenment, the line of acceptance is drawn when any resource conflicts with clear foundational teachings of the Bible. With that being said, and despite our critics charge of “bible worship”, even the average Christian accepts that the Bible is our blueprint, our “magna carta”. Therefore, Christians fully assimilate its language, concepts and principles into our vocabulary and more importantly how we live. But we don’t find this bond with God’s Word when it comes to the gay christian movement. But don’t be surprised, this is no mere coincidence.
Karen Keen who attended the event noted the bizarre interpretations gay christian leaders made about the scriptures. At the same event Nancy Elder, chief of the Metropolitan Community Church said the magi or three wise men were homosexuals and that its okay to use one’s “imagination” when reading and interpreting the Bible.
After pressuring him for a reason for an agreement to debate, Matthew Vines, the gay christian movement’s false teacher du jour, finally told Dr. James White why he was putting debates with opposing Christians on the skids:
“I am happy to do dialogues, debates, etc., with anyone when I feel that the event is likely to be constructive, respectful, and relationship-building. I did a ‘debate’ with Michael Brown this summer that was largely a waste of time, because Brown is not interested in listening to and learning from LGBT people, only pontificating about them.”
Its important to note Matthew Vines has been crisscrossing the country proclaiming his readiness to challenge the church’s teachings. But when the challenge confronts him, we find out he doesn’t like it when people won’t “learn from him”.
Using parallels with the people who built the tower of Babel, noted revivalist John Burton of Detroit reveals in Charisma Magazine a brutally honest portrait of the homosexual movement’s social agenda along with nine “prophetic keys” that can restrain its power. If you’re sick of the Osteenish type of equivocation , read on and equip yourself.
We agree with Pastor Burton: we are at war! Too many Christians still fail to see homosexuality and its destructive agenda as the foremost threat to the spiritual health and welfare of the church. That ignorance works to the advantage of the church’s enemies. Because the church is the last line of defense against this agenda’s insatiable lust for dominance, multiple strategies have been launched to break those defenses.
Its important for faithful Christians opposed to the homosexual agenda to know its not our charge to eradicate sin of any kind. We need not fret ourselves over laws passed. Remember they passed laws against Daniel, and it looked like his opponents had won a great victory over his refusal to obey the unjust law. But we all know how that turned out. Our responsibility is to restrain and restrict sin’s growth and influence. We accomplish this by being what Jesus identified as “salt and light” in Matthew 5:13-16. Such sin retardants have profound affect on the greater good. Unrestrained sin with no Christians is like a forest fire with no firefighters.
Burton shares insight and a harder strategic response needed in this season. “God opened up a powerful strategy to disrupt the momentum of the homosexual agenda to me—and a successful campaign will result in innumerable people set free.”, he says.
Barton believes this strategy will set people free if the church can unify around it. That may be the most difficult part of the strategy is unity. Our unity was the first defense attacked and it has not yet recovered. There is a growing schism —a spiritual civil war if you will— on the issue of homosexuality and its parent problem the authority and credibility of scripture.
The agenda of the gay movement is patently deceptive because the spirit controlling it is deceptive. Deception is primarily a spiritual issue which must be fought with spiritual weapons.
“The gay agenda is driven by a spirit. We must keep this in mind. Of course, we don’t wrestle with people. We wrestle with unholy spirits. But it’s true that many people are in alliance with those very spirits we are battling, so it’s unfortunately common for there to be collateral damage. Don’t mistake that collateral damage with fighting against flesh and blood. When we deal with evil spirits, those who renounce them will be set free, while those who embrace them will experience their judgment.”
In the conspiracy, Burton has also spotted the gay christian movement. Its role as favored religious aberration by the political homosexual movement is unmistakable.
When they said, “Come, let us build ourselves a city and a tower with its top in the heavens… —Gen.11:4a
The goal then was to take dominion, and that’s the goal now. The city represents the plan to spread horizontally around the world—to see homosexuality become not only accepted, but the primary leader of humanity. This spirit doesn’t simply want to be affirmed—it wants to dominate. The tower represents a connection with heaven. The “gay Christian” movement is moving at the speed of light—and even the most biblically sound arguments against it are not convincing those who are seduced by this spirit. The unity is too strong, and the response of the church has been too weak. This simultaneous horizontal and vertical advance of the homosexual movement is brilliant, though not original. We saw it at Babel, and we’ll see it again at the end of the age.
Some Christians ad social conservatives are already conceding that social issues such as homosexual marriage, like abortion, will eventually become the law of the land. When it occurs that doesn’t mean the fight has been lost but rather that ultimate victory is nearer than we may imagine. According to Jesus, the widespread proliferation of perversion is not a victory for its supporters, its a sign to its opponents that our redemption is nigh.
Even with this in mind our response is never to retreat to isolationist positions deep in religious ghettos called churches. The Jews of the Warsaw ghetto showed us that no matter how great the odds against us, they are temporary. Evil may indeed appear to triumph for a season. When we will have done all we are charged to do, what remains is in the hands of our sovereign God.