Category — MCC

Via his official facebook page, Marvin Sapp, one of the three  judges that advanced an openly homosexual choir from St. Louis in the How Sweet the Sound Gospel choir competition denied knowing about the church.

We asked: “Is Marvin Sapp aware that the Metropolitan Community Church of Greater St Louis is a homosexual Christian denomination? Is he aware that as a judge on HSTS, he has advanced them as regional winners? This is a serious question and I would like to hear from Marvin Sapp as to whether (1) he knew this church is St Louis was a choir of open homosexuals and (2) what does he plan to do about them participating in a gospel event?”
Sapp responded:

“Let me say that I usually don’t respond to these types of post [sic] however we (the judges) had no clue about this church or any other church in the national competition and as judges that info isnt released to any of us by the sponsor Verizon. The judging process is based on accumulative scoring so it’s not based on any one person alone. Our resposibilities is to score based on talent and presentation and thats all we do and that night they were the best choir. The goal of the competition is to advance Gospel and the Gospel music and not agenda…. God Bless”

Sapp’s statement didnt voice any opposition to homosexuality although its believed that (as a former apostolic Christian) he is opposed to homosexual conduct. And if he is correct that Verizon doesn’t mention to the judges that the choir (there have been several in the past) is gay or from a gay denomination that opposes bible truth about homosexuality its intentional. Is that because they know that a great majority of the black church fans of the show would be immediately turned off?  Sapp stated that  the goal of the competition is to “advance the Gospel” but the very presence of the homosexual choir is completely counterproductive to that goal.

We also contacted Shirley Caesar and Isreal Houghton but neither have responded.

You read the headline correctly and it contains zero embellishments.

The homosexual choir from the Metropolitan Community Church in St. Louis won the so-called gospel music competition’s regional finals.

How gay the sound?

Eurweb reported the group among the other winners:

Regional choirs from across the country were on hand to win up to $50,000. Grammy award winning artists CeCe Winans and Donald Lawrence served as mistress and master of ceremonies while award winners Marvin Sapp, Shirley Caesar and Israel Houghton served as judges for the competition.

Verizon traveled to nine cities to hold competitions for church choirs and the winning choirs from nine cities were then flown to Los Angeles to compete in the national finals.

The regional finalists were;
Dallas: St. John Church Ministry (Grand Prarie, Texas)
Atlanta: All Nations Life and Praise Church Choir (Stockbridge, Ga.)
Charlotte, N. C.: Salvation and Deliverance Church Choir  (Tarboro, N.C.)
Washington, D. C.: James E. Jordan, Jr. Adult Choir of Refreshing Spring COGIC (Riverdale, Md.)
Detroit: The Anointed Voices of Higher Ground Young Adult Choir (Columbus,Ohio)
St. Louis: Metropolitan Community Church of Greater Saint Louis (St. Louis, Mo.)
Chicago: All Nations Choir of the Lighthouse Church of All Nations (Alsip, Ill.)
Los Angeles: Family Life Sanctuary Choir (Whittier,Calif.)
Oakland,Calif.: Christian Life Center Mass Choir (Stockton,Calif.)

“We’re looking for tone, pitch, the ability to blend and soulful voices,” said Sapp. “Great choirs have the ability to articulate songs with conviction.”

Note the judges Sapp, Ceasar and Houghton who are spiritual deaf, dumb and blind. And let’s not forget they are being paid to be spiritually deaf, dumb and blind.

The Metropolitan Community Church is one of the most vilest caricatures of Christianity that exists today. Its members and leaders promote and participate in doctrines and practices that resemble what you would find at the bottom of an outhouse. For examples look here here and here.

Unfortunately the gospel music industry and its talking heads (or singing heads) are just as vile and disgusting for reinstating satan in a position that was violently stripped from him by God (see Ezekiel 28:11-19).

Previous GCM Watch coverage of How Sweet the Sound:

• Gay choir wins gospel music competition
• Dorinda Clark Cole approves gay choir as contest finalist

FERNDALE, MI – A minister and police chaplain from the gay christian denomination Metropolitan Community Church has been removed from his duties after a drug and sex party at his home resulted in the death of another man.

WDIV in Detroit carried  the story [source]

A 43-year-old man died after a sex party Sept. 20 at the Ferndale Police chaplain’s house. Police Chaplain Rev. Mark Bidwell [facebook], who is also the minister at Ferndale’s Metropolitan Community Church, called 911 Wednesday morning to report a man at his home had stopped breathing.

“I’ve got someone who has apparently stopped breathing,” Bidwell said. He said he met the man, Steven Fitch, of Lincoln Park, on a website the night before. Bidwell told police he invited Fitch over to his house for sex and that he didn’t know anything about him.911 dispatcher: “How old is he?” Bidwell: “Honestly, I don’t even know. We just met today.” Police said Fitch brought crystal methamphetamine to Bidwell’s home and injected himself.

Fitch later died at a hospital. Bidwell told police that Fitch injected him with the drug as well. The men had sex and invited a third man over to join the party, police said.  The 911 dispatcher asked Bidwell if Fitch was using any narcotics.  “Um. I don’t know,” Bidwell told the dispatcher.  Ferndale Mayor Dave Coulter said Bidwell is a respected member of the gay community and is involved in the entire Ferndale community. “This is not the Rev. Bidwell that I or most of us know,” Coulter said. “I am shocked and sad and worried for him.  “Police said Bidwell has been relieved of his chaplain duties at the Ferndale Police Department.Police also said there was no evidence to charge Bidwell. Bidwell did not respond to Local 4′s request for comments.

This was apparently something the “respected member” of the community engaged in on a regular basis. Birdwell told police he met the man on a gay sex website and invited him over for sex.

Just several weeks prior to the deadly drug and sex party at his home, Bidwell falsely accused Reverend David C. Vorce, President and CEO of the International Fellowship of Chaplains, Inc of  “advocating the murder of homosexuals”. [source] Bidwell dropped out of a chaplaincy improvement program citing fear of Vorce.

Very typical given the low standards of personal conduct for MCC clerics. According a statement from the denomination’s website, Bidwell has since resigned as pastor of the church. Notice that the only thing they were concerned with was the “illegal drug use”. Said the Rev. Dr. Nancy Wilson, Moderator of the Metropolitan Community Church:

“We are deeply saddened whenever drug addiction impacts an individual or a community.  No community across this country is immune from the scourge of illegal drugs, but when it hits close to home, we are reminded of the commitment we have to teach people about the harms of drug abuse and to be a place of spiritual healing for those who are recovering.”

We’ve reported before on this gross caricature of a Christian denomination and its ministers who have portrayed Christ as a promiscuous homosexual having sex with his disciples, a prominent MCC minister who openly claimed to masturbate to images of Jesus, purchased a $55,000 ventriloquist Jesus, members arent required to believe Jesus is savior, encouraged people to deface the bible out of hate toward scriptures that condemn homosexuality and more religious madness than you can imagine.

The fake savior of the US took advantage of another opportunity to legitimize homosexual apostates by giving them access to his Easter extravaganza aka “prayer breakfast”.

In attendance: false teacher Yvette Flunder and lesbian bishop of the Fellowship which she’s selling piece by piece to the  majority white gay MCC denomination. Its a money issue.  Harry Knox who said New Testament teaching on homosexuality is a lie and MCC head witch Nancy Elder, the gay denomination with clergy leaders who have openly talked about masturbating to images of Christ, invited people to deface the bible, allows members to make belief in Jesus optional, portray Jesus in books as a sexually promiscuous homosexual, and purchased a $55,000 ventriloquist version of Jesus to help spread their lies.

To the affirmation hungry gay christian movement, such recognition is a drug:

“MCC was well represented at this week’s Easter Prayer Breakfast hosted by U. S. President Barack Obama. The breakfast was held at The White House in observance of Holy Week, with 130 clergy and denominational heads present.
In attendance were, from left to right, Bishop Yvette Flunder, Senior Pastor of City of Refuge UCC in San Francisco, California, who is also MCC clergy; Rev. Harry Knox, Senior Pastor of Resurrection MCC in Houston, Texas; and Rev. Elder Nancy Wilson, Moderator of MCC.”

Of course the starry eyed pastors and assorted false teachers, hirelings and assorted other noted religious leaders wouldn’t have known that. The reasons are too obvious.

Bishop Vashti McKenzie “prayed” (after Obama’s prayer joke) that Easter “reversed Good Friday”. However the AME bishop is in grave error. The resurrection didn’t reverse what happened on Cavalry, it was the climax. His passion and suffering was prophesied in Isaiah 53. If the horror of the cross was reversed  then nothing  that happened afterwards is authenic.

Although Obama’s harem of false prophets were up in arms when people “questioned the president’s faith”, they were silent when the religious left  foamed at the mouth for George Bush simple mentioning of his faith. Then, it was all about “speaking truth to power”. But now, SOTUS is a “brother in Christ”.

But the questions persist. God commanded the priests to put a difference between holy and unholy (Lev 10:10). Can we with any integrity call those who profane the name of Christ and call his word a lie, brothers and sisters in Christ?

Does a follower of Christ say this or do this? What about this? Why would they do this if they value scripture? Does this sound like someone who follows Christ?

Apprising Ministries blog put up four phenomenal videos from 1986 which show a couple of gay christian clerics unable to defend their theology. Watching them, its clear that little has changed over the last 25 years except that they have become more sophisticated in how they explain their falsehoods and half truths. These four videos provide you with a stunning instructional look at just how shallow these people are.

Thanks also to Apprising Ministries for recognizing that the gay christian movement is a significant contemporary threat to the internal spiritual health of today’s church. And like GCM Watch, AM called attention to the so-called emergent church’s collusion with the gcm. GCM Watch is extremely disappointed at the larger apologetics sites for neglecting to provide more ongoing teaching on this. We contacted several of them but they seem to believe that gcm theology is so preposterous (as one person told me) no one would believe it. What a gross misjudgment.

The videos are from pioneer talk show host June Cain Miller, featuring Dr. Walter Martin (who died 3 years after this), gay MCC cleric Rev Brad Anderson (who later died of AIDS), Rev. Wayne Christiansen (now pastor of a progay Lutheran church) anda young  Andy Comiskey who founded Desert Streams Ministry and the Living Waters Program.

The exchanges are fascinating to watch as Dr. Martin reveals the shallow fallacy of homosexual religion. Historically, he notes there existed no protestant, catholic and orthodox belief which sanctioned homosexual religion. That concept was born and advanced largely through the work of gay christian theologian John Boswell.

Martin said “Gays can be religious and there are gays that are Christians,…but they are non practicing, just like there are adulterers and fornicators who are christian but theyre not practicing. So a gay can be a Christian if they are not practicing immorality.”

Martin comment seems to suggest agreement with the new gay christian argument which allows a person to claim a gay identity but not practice homosexual sexual activity. Exodus President Alan Chamber recently addressed that.

When the gay pastor attempts to make the issue one of relative normality, Comiskey corrects him with a quick lesson on God’s intent. I love how Comiskey explains that God’s perspective is soterical, not merely prohibitional. God blocks justification of sin so that the sinner can see his need for the saving blood of Jesus Christ. However, both of the progay reverends continue to throw up strawmen arguments, evasive answers, red herrings, half truths and emotional sidebars that are embarrasing to listen to. The exchanges reminded me of the panel I participated on in Greensboro, NC.

We’ve contended for sometime that the arguments of the gcm are inherently circular and are up against a wall in terms of honesty, integrity and legitimacy. All lies create other lies to sustain themselves but eventually will come to a dead end. Literally.

But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. Rev 21:8

The Orlando Sentinel published a sympathy piece for its local gay church bemoaning the fact that it couldn’t “attract” youth. Generation gap imperils gay church, the anguished headline reads. Imperils? That’s a highly ironic choice of words, considering their inbred rebellion and the condition of their souls has already imperiled them.

The pews were nearly full for the early Sunday service at Joy Metropolitan Community Church, but just about everybody in the sanctuary was male and most were middle-aged.

Started in 1979, the predominantly gay Orlando church is imperiled by its inability to attract a younger generation of gay and lesbian worshippers. Only about 20 of the 250 people who regularly attend the church are in their 20s and 30s, said the Rev. Lisa Heilig, interim pastor.

“The truth of the matter is the church is either going to stretch and grow — or die,” Heilig said.

The lack of young people at Joy MCC isn’t unusual in itself. Only about a fourth of Americans 18 to 29 years old attend church regularly, according to the latest survey by LifeWay Research, a research organization associated with the Southern Baptist Convention.

Mainline Protestant denominations such as Baptists, Episcopalians, Lutherans and Methodists are dealing with the same doomsday demographic of aging congregations. But the gay church faces not only fewer young people attending church, but also a greater acceptance of gays in other churches.

They forgot to mention that JMAC is 99.9% white too. Besides, its a fact that the gay church is just a sanitized version of the gay club. One is attended at night and the debauchery is unrestrained. The other is attended during the day and the debauchery is temporarily restrained. Nevertheless the Sentinel “reporter” wanted help to beat the bushes for some impressionable youth to replenish the pews before the increasingly nervous —and aging— homosexual men in the church die out. Reminds me of a  Stephen King movie I saw once.

Moreover, gay churches don’t have the built-in ability to attract families with children, teenagers with youth programs, and young people with church services like rock concerts. There are no “crying rooms” for babies at Joy MCC or Sunday-school classrooms or a day-care center during the week.

“Joy MCC is going to have to change and adapt or they are not going to be around,” said Randy Stephens, executive director of Orlando’s Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, Transgender Community Center of Central Florida.

Young people are more fluid about their sexuality and less defined by their sexual orientation, Stephens said. They neither need nor crave the sanctuary that the gay church provided previous generations.

“What I’m finding is they don’t want to go to a church where they are segregated by their sexuality,” said the Rev. Jenn Stiles Williams, who has about 50 young gays in her contemporary service at St. Luke’s United Methodist Church in Orlando. “Their relationship with God is first, but they want a church where they can be who they are and not have to hide it.”

One of the fallacies that the article attempts to ingrain is that youth are just “attracted” to church.  The hand wringing lamenting no “built in abilities”. Exactly, people of the same gender cannot reproduce children. It takes a male and a female to pro-create like The Creator.  That’s been a fundamental truth that has kept humanity in tact since the very beginning. In fact it was the divine command. But that’s lost on a “church” full of homosexual men looking for youth to pass their twisted ideologies on to.

What’s even scarier are the suggestions by the church’s cleric leader and the club director that the church is going to have to “change and adapt”. More dripping irony for a group of blind people who fight the one change that they really need.

Give the aging gay church what it wants and it will go away? Only in the movies.