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After following the story about Reba Rambo and her husband washing the feet of homosexual pastors and saying they were wrong about homosexuality, it was but a short journey to the next rather shocking theological heresy coming out the southern gospel music industry.
Cynthia Clawson, a Dove and Grammy winner, is the latest southern gospel music personality to buy into gay christian doctrine. Like some in the religious music industry who get theological amnesia when it comes to homosexuality and the Bible’s clear teaching, Clawson offers only the same illogical and unbiblical arguments we have heard before from the gay christian movement.
We contacted Ms Clawson to verify these statements and received the following from an individual named Will. Whether this is her son Will or not is unknown as the respondent did not identify himself further.
Hello, Thank you for writing! I won’t even begin to answer for Cynthia (who, by the way, does NOT read these emails), but I can tell you that she has suffered a lot for her views. So many churches have canceled dates, anonymous letters and phone calls have threatened her life, her family’s life ,her career and she’s been pulled off of most radio stations. All of that because she sings at gay churches. You will never meet a kinder, warmer, more spiritual woman than Cynthia. Please support her and buy her music and spread the word. Below you will find her mission statement that was written a while back in response to a lady who sends anonymous hate letters to every single church she is scheduled to sing at. It says it all…God Bless, Will
A Personal Mission Statement from Cynthia Clawson
I am a Christian and have been for most of my life. I was a girl when I experienced what I believe was a call to share the good news of who Jesus is and what He did for me. I first sang about this good news when I was three years of age; and now at 56, I am still singing. Because I recognized that I had been given a talent, I felt that I should cultivate it so I went to a Baptist University and majored in vocal performance and minored in piano. I began getting invitations to sing everywhere, and I accepted every invitation I could.
I am humbled that I had a chance to sing the gospel in India, Viet Nam, Japan, Holland, England, Ireland, at a Billy Graham Crusade, on The PTL Club, on the 700 Club, for the Southern Baptist Convention, for Karla Fay Tucker before she was killed by the State of Texas, at a night club on the Strip in Los Angeles, on some of Bill Gaither’s Homecoming videos, on the Crystal Cathedral’s Hour of Power, a night club in Houston, and at Radio City Music Hall during the GRAMMY Awards. The list is long because I have been singing somewhere different every week for thirty years. The total number of concerts is in the thousands, and the number of people who have heard me is in the millions. That amazes me, and I can only explain it by pointing to God who has called me, guided me, and comforted me all along this journey.
Let me assure you that it has been a challenging mission to answer to God’s calling to tell the good news to all that will hear. Since I will sing wherever invited, I have found myself singing in places when my theology, my moral values, and my political inclinations sometimes differ from my listeners, but I simply sing about the Good News that God loves us. I point them as best I can to Christ. That is my calling. God convicts, woos, and transforms lives by His grace, I don’t. That statement alone is enough to make me want to sing.
I am amazed that there are those who would not want me to sing for all people, especially homosexual people. I sing for divorced people and we all know what Jesus said about divorce! No one ever emailed me about that! We also know that Jesus never said anything about gay people. Not one word! How important could it have been to Him if He did not mention it? I dare say that I sing in churches full of sinners every time I stand to sing, and I never make it my business to question any group about their values or morals before I enter their churches. When people protest about me singing to gay people, I have to wonder: Do they not know that Jesus hung out with, ate with, and drank wine with disenfranchised people? Those who object to where I sing are free to think what they please, but they did not call me. I have a higher calling. As a singer doing my best to follow Jesus, I have sung the gospel if at all possible wherever invited just as Jesus did in preaching to the Pharisees and those that the Pharisees judged. Some repented some did not, that is between God and them. And what I have been called to do is between God and me. And a person’s sexual orientation is between God and them. It is none of my business. I am just a gospel singing, homosexual loving, heterosexual wife of one, mother of two who is caught up in all this violence. And, yes, I do think we are treating one another violently! This fight is not homage to our Savior who is the Prince of Peace.
I would ask for prayers from those who will pray for me. I am willing to sing the good news of God’s love anywhere I am invited. I am sad to say that I feel that there are not many Christians who will go with me. I won’t sing to condemn anyone; I won’t preach hate and exclusivity. I will sing at the very gates of hell if I am called to do so, and I would think that all of you who call yourselves God’s children would gather together in support of this holy mission. However, if no one joins me in going in love to the outcasts, I will go walking hand in hand with Jesus who seems to prefer spending time with outcast than to spend time with all the religious hypocrites spewing out hate, fear and condemnation. My desire in being a disciple of Christ is to be obedient. I am obedient because I am deeply in love with Him! I want to be true to God’s calling on my life, and if I am wrong in including all people, should I err in this attempt, let me fail on the side of the grace and mercy. Let me stand beside the oppressed, broken, disenfranchised, and the outcast because that is where I think that Jesus stands. And when I die and stand before the Father with Jesus next to my side as my advocate, I am not afraid for God to tell me that I erred on the side of compassion and love. I am not afraid to hear Him tell me that I was not judgmental enough. I am not afraid to hear Him say to me that I loved too much and too many. I trust with all my heart that it is Jesus who shapes my life and not the writers of these angry, cruel, hateful emails. The hate stings, the threats frighten, the whispers humiliate, but I have taken up His cross and His burden is light! My recordings are already removed from many Christian bookstores, and not played on many Christian radio stations, but I have my church, where I serve as the co-pastor with my husband, praying for me. I have dear friends in the ministry who support and encourage me. I have thousands of people buying my CDs and supporting my ministry. And, dear reader, I have God’s assurance through Jesus Christ – the criterion through which I read scripture – leading me to share the good news with all who would listen to my attempts.
If you can, pray for me and for all the homosexual people who have been demonized, ostracized, and denied basic human rights by self-righteous Christians. I will in turn pray that God will touch the hearts of those who are so angry at me, so that they will see the homosexual person the same way Jesus did as He hung on the cross with such love, such grace. “
As Will pointed out, you need not bother trying to contact Ms Clawson. She does not respond because she has predetermined that any communication disagreeing with her is “angry, cruel and hateful”.
What do you think of Cynthia Clawson’s statement? I am wondering if Ms Clawson would sing (about God) in front of a burning cross to a group of Ku Klux Klan members if invited?
Country Music Television is reporting that Dottie Rambo, the prolithic southern gospel music singer/songwriter, was killed on Mother’s Day when the bus she was riding in crashed into a guard rail and went down an embankment. Rambo was the only one on the bus who was fatally injured. Six others are in various degrees of injury.
According to Wikipedia, Rambo wrote over 2500 songs including stellar church athemns “He looked beyond my faults and saw my needs” (recorded by Andrae Crouch) and “We Shall Behold Him” (recorded by Vickie Winans) and “I go to the rock” (recorded by Whitney Houston).
GCM Watch extends condolences to the family of Dottie Rambo.
You may be wondering what this has to do with gay christianity. As we have reported before, the lines between the gay church and the “mainstream” Christianity are being erased quietly by those in the religious music industry. Their websites never list their gay church engagements. While reading on the life of Dottie Rambo, we came across the following exchange on the Soulforce message board. Yes, that Soulforce.
I had to tell ya’ll about my experience this past weekend in Long Beach, CA. My partner and I have only been out a little over a year to our friends and family, and we have gotten involved in a GLBT [gay] church in Houston, TX. They make an annual trek to Long Beach every year for this conference, and I was amazed and astonished at the people they had for speakers One was Peggy Campolo, who unabashedly supports gay rights and has for years. Her husband, Tony, does not however. They had Don Milam, a Christian publisher, who over the past 10 years or so, has been brought to a deeper understanding of God’s grace and how the church has failed in showing it to gays and lesbians. His granddaughter came out about a year ago, and he was put into contact with the pastor( Sandy Turnbull) of Glory Tabernacle Christian Center in Long Beach, where the conference is held, and she helped him come to grips with his granddaughter’s lesbianism. Since then, he has written and spoken about his revelation of God’s anointing of gay Christians. Last but certainly not least, Dony McGuire and Reba Rambo-McGuire and their children, Destiny and Israel, provided the praise and worship. I remember Reba Rambo singing with her parents Buck and Dottie Rambo in my teens. For her and her husband to sing in a gay church, and conference was astounding. The most moving and beautiful things at this conference was Saturday night, when Dony McGuire and Reba Rambo invited all the pastors of gay churches that were there, to come up on the stage, remove their shoes and he and his wife, personally washed their feet apologizing for the years he and his wife, and the Christian church at large had thrown stones , maligned God’s work in Gay churches, and had excluded and thrown out these pastors and their congregations. He and Reba wept as they washed and kissed the feet of these pastors. He said that over the past year, his church has gone through some tough times because he has invited gay people to come in and welcomed them. Several members have left and he has caught a bunch of flack (sp?) because of his inclusion of GLBT people into his church. Needless to say it was a wonderful experience, and I left with hope that maybe the straight churches are slowly coming around and seeing that God is moving mightily in gay churches.
The poster continued:
Reba Rambo is the daughter of Buck and Dottie Rambo, who were Southern Gospel music giants. They were popular among that crowd of people who enjoyed that music. It is not surprising that a lot of people don’t know who they are. The only reason I know who she is, is because I grew up listening to her parents’ music, as well as a lot of other Southern Gospel singers. Reba married Dony McGuire, another singer in that genre, and they more or less left that genre, to pursue a more evangelistic ministry and now have a church in Nashville, called The River.
When I heard that she and her husband had begun a minsitry to GLBT people, it floored me because of her roots. Equally, I was floored to see that Cynthia Clawson and her husband, Ragan Courtney, ( Christian singers and songwriters) support GLBT rights. I told Reba at the conference that my parents had not spoken to me since coming out, and she cried. The foot washing she and her husband did was in no small way one of the most beautiful things I have ever seen.
Apparently, Rambo’s daughter and son-in-law have been increasingly pushing the false gay christian doctrine. What’s interesting is that the Rambo’s church site (The River) claims that it is a place for people who have been “ousted” from other churches. That seems to be a coded for people who dont want other people to tell them the truth about their sin. The Rambos are under the “covering” of the International Communion of Covenant Churches once headed by Earl Paulk.p>
Gay Christian Movement Watch is seeking first hand accounts and personal narratives of several categories of individuals who have had personal experience with gay churches and organizations.
First, GCM Watch is seeking testimonials of former members of gay churches namely: Metropolitan Community Churches (UFMCC), any affiliate churches of The Fellowship (Bishop Yvette Flunder), Unity Fellowship Church Movement or any independent gay church. In addition, if you were part of an “affirming” or “inclusive” church, but left because you no longer accepted its false doctrines, please contact GCM Watch as soon as possible.
Secondly, if you have visited, but never joined a gay/affirming/inclusive church your personal narrative of that experience is also welcomed.
Third, if you know of someone who fits the criteria above, forward this information to them and ask them to contact GCM Watch.
These personal narratives are being sought to provide a balanced and truthful counter to the lies currently being promoted by gay churches about biblical sexual morality. These organizations promise an overabundance of love, value and acceptance but what are they actually delivering to hurting and confused people?
- Contact GCM Watch at firstname.lastname@example.org
- Partial list of “affirming/inclusive” religious organizations here and here.
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Earlier this month, we blogged about southern gospel music former star Kirk Talley and his new dalliance with the gay christian movement. Talley did not respond to our attempts to get his “side of the story”. As a note, generally as a courtesy, we do attempt to contact individuals for comment when information about them is published on GCM Watch. Individuals are under no obligation to respond and quite often, they do not respond.
But, we learned on yesterday that due to his association with the homosexual church Open Door Sherwood and his upcoming appearance at a gay christian event sponsored by Evangelicals Concerned, one church has cancelled his appearance. After being contacted by the church, Talley told them it (the gay conference) was “just business”.
But another church defended the appearance. According to an email from Pastor DeWayne Howard of Bridges of Hope Fellowship Talley was personally interviewed by him.
“I spoke with Kirk on the phone to let him know and to ask some very personal and pointed questions to hold him accountable and to clear up any misconceptions that were floating around out there. After much research and speaking with Kirk and the office of the Evangelicals Concerned, I do not find that Kirk is in any way out of line. Kirk is not attending this conference as an attendee, but rather will be there for one night to sing and minister through sharing his story. I firmly believe that God uses all of our experiences to bring Him glory and to help others find the way. Kirk is not going in support of the gay, lesbian, or whatever kind of lifestyle. He is going to share God’s story for his life. We should applaud him in being willing to help others to overcome their struggles in life, not condemn him or try to destroy him for being obedient to the call of God that has been given to us all. Kirk’s struggles in life are no different than yours or mine. What makes it sin is when we act on those struggles (desires) of the flesh. Until then, we have to take every thought captive and submit it to the Lord.”
The issue is not whether Kirk Talley is engaging in homosexuality, but whether his appearance and tacit approval by such an appearance of those who do and claim to be Christians is against God’s Word. That’s the issue at hand. Pastor Howard says that we should “pick up the phone and call Talley before judging him.” While Pastor Howard conveniently evokes the J-word, he altogether ignores the scriptural restrictions of 1 Corinthians 5.
It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that even pagans do not tolerate: A man has his father’s wife. 2 And you are proud! Shouldn’t you rather have gone into mourning and have put out of your fellowship the man who has been doing this? 3 For my part, even though I am not physically present, I am with you in spirit. As one who is present with you in this way, I have already passed judgment in the name of our Lord Jesus on the one who has been doing this. 4 So when you are assembled and I am with you in spirit, and the power of our Lord Jesus is present, 5 hand this man over to Satan for the destruction of the sinful nature so that his spirit may be saved on the day of the Lord. 6 Your boasting is not good. Don’t you know that a little yeast leavens the whole batch of dough? 7 Get rid of the old yeast, so that you may be a new unleavened batch—as you really are. For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed. 8 Therefore let us keep the Festival, not with the old bread leavened with malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. 9 I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— 10 not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. 11 But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with any who claim to be fellow believers but are sexually immoral or greedy, idolaters or slanderers, drunkards or swindlers. With such persons do not even eat. (TNIV) our italics
We couldn’t help but wonder if this ECWR engagement is “just business” to Talley then how does that allow for him to “minister” as Howard noted? Perhaps Pastor Howard isn’t aware that Talley told the other church a different story? At this point it seems like every phone call yields a different story. Furthermore, its highly unlikely that ECWR will allow Talley to tell them that homosexuality is a sin and that God isn’t pleased with their lifestyle.
h/t to mlj
Surprised? You shouldn’t be.
Yes, Brian McLauren, the enigmatic guru of the emergent church movement is watering gay churches. And why not? After all, the emergent church and the gay christian movements are cut from the same false doctrine cloth which rejects sound biblical doctrine. When we wrote in early February that is was “inevitable” that elements of these two false movements would coalese, we were almost two years behind. The core goal of value-less unity is a strong component of both movements.
McLauren appeared at the same homosexual church in Arkansas that southern gospel music singer Kirk Talley did. This Flickr photo slide, shows a very comfortable McLauren speaking at the Sherwood Open Door Church in December 2006. Unfortunately, we have no record of what McLauren told them.
But there is ample written proof that McLauren is a saltless false prophet whose goal is to redefine the faith once delivered to the saints into a subjective guessing game as to what and who’s right.
To get a more complete picture of McLauren gay christian ideology read this and check this out John MacArthur’s response. McClauren tells the church have a “moratorium” on discussions about homosexuality in order to “help us resist the “winds of doctrine” blowing furiously from the left and right, so we can patiently wait for the wind of the Spirit to set our course.”
If you have read our posts on antinomianism you can quickly spot the “Spirit trumps Word” ideology. The “Spirit” (not the Holy Spirit) allows one the unfettered liberty to live above the so-called legalism of the Bible. Thus, no scripture which condemns homosexuality is applicable. How very convenient for the gay christian movement. Freedom has a whole new meaning.
Likewise, the theology of the church’s Pastor is steeped in antinomianism. He regards the Bible’s condemnation of homosexuality as nothing more than “legalism” or slavery.
“Paul tells us in Galatians that we should not allow anyone to put a harness of slavery on us ever again. A friend of mine says it is amazing how many people would rather worship at the foot of Mount Sinai where Moses received the Law instead of the foot of Mount Calvary where Jesus set us free from the heaviness and impossible requirements of the Law. Those who today still hold to a legalistic approach to salvation and God’s love are mean-spirited and exclusive. Their love is conditional and so is their acceptance.” [source]
Needless to say, the pastor is completely wrong. His theology is driven by his desire to cover, justify and protect his own sinful lifestyle rather than to honestly exegete what the scripture says. The Bible calls that handling the Word of God deceitfully.
But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man’s conscience in the sight of God. 2 Cor 4:2.
emergent satire courtesy of pyromaniacs
It wasn’t that long ago when we learned about Kirk Talley (pictured), one of southern gospel music’s “stars”. Talley had sung with all the genre’s top names and was celebrated in churches all across the country. Without a doubt, Kirk Talley was southern gospel music “royalty”.
Then, news broke that a man in Knoxville, TN attempted to blackmail Talley. Reports state the two met while searching for male sex online. The story’s publicity and Talley’s subsequent admission that he was homosexual set off a chain reaction which caused him to forfeit many of the lucrative singing engagements he had once enjoyed.
Placed under the care of a ”restoration team”, Talley suspended his career and set about to recover from his homosexuality. Less than a year later, on October 6, 2004 the “restoration team” announced that Talley was ready for a comeback. No one knows what the conditions of his “restoration” were, nor did the unnamed restoration team make public exactly what Talley had accomplished in order to be restored. That may have been a blunder simular to the one with Ted Haggard.
But GCM Watch has learned that things have indeed changed, although Kirk Talley is not being honest about those changes. Talley seems to be weaving his way into the gay christian movement while still performing at unsuspecting churches which are not aware of his new friends and their false doctrine. Talley is scheduled to perform in July at the Evangelical Concerned conference which describes the event as “a four-day retreat experience with gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender Christians.”
In September 2006, Talley was a guest speaker at an “exgay” conference in Macon, GA where he talked about how he changed after the blackmail episode.
In November, he appeared on James Robinson’s Life Today (interview transcript)show where he told Robinson,
I tell my story and my story only. I don’t get off into all the arguable points of the issue. I tell my story and my story only in hopes that somebody will not end up out on the sidewalk like I was, trying to…”
Robinson finished the line with ”…Have no choice but to go into this other lifestyle”[of homosexuality].
But just a year after the LifeToday appearance, Talley is becoming quite the fixture on the gay christian scene. Talley’s website makes no indication of why he has changed his mind about telling people they can overcome homosexuality. Is he being intentionally dishonest just to make money at the expense of people’s souls? His website —oddly enough— makes no mention of his upcoming appearance at the gay conference.
Talley, who won 2007 “Songwriter of the Year” at the Southern Gospel Music Awards, doesnt seem to mind people knowing that he is now very comfortable at homosexual churches. After all, the pictures are posted all over Flickr. What does this mean? Well, homosexual churches, unlike some so called “loving” Christian churches will not allow anyone opposed to their lifestyle to preach or sing in their churches. They possess zero tolerance while hypocrtically demanding to be “inclusion” in other churches.
GCM Watch encourages Kirk Talley to (1) repent (2) stop deceiving pastors and churches and (3) obey the scripture:
Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? And what communion hath Light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? And what agreement hath the Temple of God with idols? For ye are the Temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.” (2 Corinthians 6:14-16 KJV)
Should Kirk Talley refuse our call to repentance, we ask that he have the decency to call every church on his performance list and tell them he no longer shares their biblical views concerning homosexuality. Give them the choice as to whether they want someone spreading false doctrine through song in their churches.
We will be watching.